[SPOILERS]The Walking Dead Episode 4 REVIEW Thread

[Arsun97]

If you watch the third tape you can see that Molly actually was a part of Crawford. She had sex with the doctor...

[allienicole16]

I mean so much happened these last two episodes that it's left me sort of depressed.

Kenny losing his family was like OMG no. I mean i hated duck for most of the game till that damn batman thing. And when they died i though oh okay there's the worst of it.

Dont even get me started on losing carley.

But then this episode happened and while i wasnt exactly excited to have Chuck with us I didnt want him to die that way. Down in the sewers without his friends or atleast someone to give a damn about him. And for lee to find him and not say anything to anyone else. That pissed me off. Unless he did and i just didnt pay attention.

The thing with Ben wasnt at all surprising. I let him go personally because he wanted it and i was sick of his stupid complaining and nagging me about the fact that he wanted to tell Kenny. He should have just kept his mouth shut. That would have been better than the chaos that he created. I mean that Brie died because of him!!

Then Vernon. I dont know what to think of him. I mean he wanted to take Clem maybe to protect her idk. But he just seemed too helpful in a way. I get it because of the whole she's a kid she shouldnt be out fighting these things ideal. But THAT is their world now. She has to know how to survive in it. I can totally see Clem becoming a Molly type person.

Oh and Molly. I loved her. I wish she'd have stuck around. She was pretty awesome.

Crawford was a screwed up place and got destroyed because of their stupid ideals and stupid ways. It's good to know that there are other 'woodbury' type places around in this world and that they all eventually ruin themselves.

Okay the final nail in the sad coffin for me. Lee getting bit. That was just...too much. Now if there's a second season who the hell am i going to root for? CLEM?

I ended up taking Kenny, Omid and what's her face with me.

I had to use the whole she's my family thing to get Kenny to do it but it worked.

And no preview for 5! Seriously?

That's pissing me off.

Anyway great episode but i'm not officially depressed and it probably wont get any better until december when the next episode comes out.

[Peace&Love]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aqf_...ure=plpp_video
My simple reaction to this episode.

[Wrighty]

CHUUUUCCCKKKK

Honestly I felt while the episode did have some truly amazing moments an heart wrenching decisions, some of the episode did feel like just filler. Still amazing though.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by JesseC25

This is a FULL review of the entire episode, which I just finished. So MAJOR spoilers!

So when the group arrives in Savannah, they are swarmed by walkers. Ben ends up saving himself instead of helping Clem, but Chuck rescues Clem. Chuck tells everyone to go on and he will catch up with them. The group reaches a house and then Kenny and Lee decide to go look for a boat.

You don't find a boat, and the area with the barricade/dead walkers in the entrance to Crawford. Crawford is very dangerous where only the strong are allowed to live, elderly people/children are killed.

The ninja girl attacks you, her name is actually Molly and she is very very helpful and joins the group. You go into the sewers because you get separated from Kenny, Molly, and Clem, and in the sewers you find dead Chuck.

In the sewers you meet a man named Vernon and his group, Vernon is a doctor and the group are all cancer survivors who escaped Crawford. Vernon is the man that everyone thought walkie-talkie man was (it isn't him, we NEVER see walkie-talkie man, only hear from him at the beginning and the end).

Vernon comes to visit the group and they decide they need to break into Crawford to get supplies, because Clem finds a boat hidden in the shed. They need medicine, fuel, and a battery. You sneak into Crawford where EVERYONE has become a walker. You can choose to bring Clem with you or not, I brought her with me even though everyone told me not to (because the only other option is to leave her with Omid who is not doing well).

In Crawford, I guess there are multiple ways you could go but everyone splits up. I ended up going with Molly to find the battery. We got it and later you go into the nurse area where you watch videos of a doctor talking to this girl telling her she must have an abortion or leave Crawford. She stabs him and escapes (you can tell he wanted to sedate her to rape her). Ben also tells you he wants to tell Kenny the truth. I told him to tell Kenny, because I wanted Ben to die (for abandoning Clem and leading to Carley's death).

When the group is escaping by climbing out of Crawford (Ben is an IDIOT, he pulls the hatchet out of the door which was keeping it closed and then all the walkers get inside) Ben tells Kenny and Kenny SNAPS, you can choose whether you want to let Kenny go at back or hold him back. I held him back because walkers were getting in.

Then when they are finally climbing out, Ben falls back and Lee is holding on to him. I was going to save him but then he kept telling me to let him go. Clem was supporting Ben but I let Ben go because he wanted me to and Carley's death was his fault.

You get back to the house and Clem is very upset, I tried to make her calm (twice) but she ends up crying either way.

Whoever says your choices do not matter is an IDIOT - EVERY SINGLE CHOICE YOU MAKE FROM EP1 to NOW WILL MATTER!!!!

The Morning After, Lee wakes up, Clem is gone. Lee goes looking outside and is attacked by a walker, kills it easily but realizes he is bit. If you hide the bite from the group, Lee will go to look for Clem on his own. This is what I did the first time.

The episode ends and it shows the stats for who goes with you into the next chapter (you can go alone, have Christa and Omid go, go with just Kenny, go with just Ben, or go with everyone or some combination). I went alone (because I hid the bite) but then I did a rewind and showed the bite.

Christa and Omid agreed to come with me. Kenny said no. I asked him to again (I was pro-Lilly until Ep.3, then I was wishy washy with Kenny after) and Kenny said that he will not come with me because I never had his back and he leaves. EVERY decision you make matters, if you are pro-Kenny, Kenny will come with you.

Lee goes into the sewers and hears Clem on the walkie-talkie, the man tells you to choose what you say carefully. You can either cuss him, or plead with him, and I begged him not to hurt Clem.

Then it just says: "TO BE CONTINUED".

There is NO preview for the next episode.

Think about all your decisions very VERY carefully, because Clementine is in serious danger, Lee is bit, and this obviously means he is going to turn and die. The first time I didn't show the bite so I went alone, but then I realized if I find Clem I will turn and she will be in serious danger. So I decided to show the bite and get as many people to come -- Christa and Omid came. At least when I die in ep.5 Clementine will have someone..depending on what happens.

I can't stand Ben but I saved him to die another day. He owes me big time so I will use him as another red shirt so he can die in episode 5. He is an additional pair of hands to help find Clem so I took him along with Christa and Omid. Hopefully Ben will die and at least Christa will survive out of the 3 I took with me and take care of Clem assuming Lee doesn't make it.

Initially my thoughts were to keep Ben alive until the end of the episode and leave him behind if we left on the boat with the decision being made by Kenny so Clementine wouldn't hold against Lee. Given what happened I wish I had the opportunity to go back and sabotage the boat so it sinks when Kenny tries to leave without us.

[zivi7]

This will probably drown in the flood of responses, but after all the praise about the choices I wanted to point out some negative things of the implementation I noticed, mainly in the school.

There seems to be no apparant entry point for the walkers in front of the room with the medical supplies, they seem to just come out of nowhere after you closed the main entrance with the hatchet.

The first time you make it back from the garage only with the help of Molly. When you go back there to get the tape from the Doc suddenly this doesn't matter, there's a just a loading screen and you are back in the school.

After watching the second video Lee tells Christa and Vernon he'd watch the third one while they go ahead. But the game puts you in front of the two old videos. I ended up watching both old tapes again because I couldn't be sure which one was the third one now. It would have been so much better if the next screen would have been Lee at the camcorder with just the third tape as option there. THEN he could have put this third tape next to the others on the desk in case the player wants to watch one of them again.

[Vegztah]

Originally Posted by Greglead

What was up with all the star wars references? I got a bad feeling about this. I promise I won't put a scratch on her. Not a scratch right? I love it. I am going to do the rewind now. See what the outcome is if I let Ben die, and show the bite.

Haha, I noticed this too.

[XicoFelipe]

I managed to bring everyone in my first playthrough. At first, Kenny didn't want, but I convinced him when I said Clem was my family (I helped him with Kadjaa and Duck and the other Duck).

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Greglead

You have seen dawn of the dead right? 28 days later. Black guy, black girl survive.

I can't think of a many modern day zombie movies that have a hopeful ending where anyone survives apart from I am Legend. The characters deaths are usually implied or referenced during the credits or after the movie. In dawn of the dead they all die when they arrive at the island, in the Crazies the survivors of the last town are going into another town that is targeted for air strike, in vanishing on 7th street the black boy leaves 7th street but is riding towards darkness and will no doubt die before he gets to Chicago even though you don't see it.

Usually in zombie apocalyptic movie the character are just holding off the inevitable and buying extra time but usually end up dying since there is rarely a cure or a safe haven. I think I am Legend is the only movie I know of where a cure was made by the end of the movie so the protagonist doesn't die in vain.

[XicoFelipe]

I think Clementine will end up killing Lee (or his zombie) in episode 5.

[2-_-DEAD]

Originally Posted by Bambietta

Aw man I can't believe they ended it like that or that a game can stress me out this much, I bet the next one wont come out until Christmas or New Years.

Nah it will be out before the retail version hits stores early December.

[ploader]

Folks, the guy on the walkie talkie is not Vernon... he says it himself at the end. also, if you watch the credits there is a character named Clive, who i think is the walkie talkie guy.

[Jimeainct]

That really sucks that Lee got bit ,I was hoping it see him make an apearience in the comics or the sequel. I just don't see any way around it? he is going to die . That depressed me and got me to thinking is there any way to survive a walker bite and the only possible scenario I came up with is maybe just maybe if the walker was wearing dentures ( the one that bit Lee obviously had the rotten teeth of a corpse.) but if the zombie was wearing false teeth you might have a chance ..possibly. Bummer about Lee I have a feeling that ep5. Can go anywhere from the conclusion of episode 4, a totally bad ending where Clem could die , to an ending where only Lee dies. Can't wait to see what happens.

[XicoFelipe]

Just to give you hope, maybe Lee is immune or becomes immune. But that would be boring.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Freeze

I dunno Rick had a leather jacket on did he not? I can only remember him getting "bit" that one time. I hate how Lee got bit. It's really similar to how Dale got bit. Maybe they amputate his arm? This episode was crazy. I don't know how to feel. I want Lee to make it out alive but I know it's impossible. What did you guys say to Vernon about taking Clem? I said no but maybe that might be one of the best options.

The time window for saving people from bites by amputation seems small. Rick was able to save Dale but it could have gone either way. They weren't able to save Allen or Morgan by that method.

I think Telltale planned to kill off Lee by the end of the series to give the game's ending an emotional impact like when Lee had to put his reanimated brother out of his misery in Macon with the axe. I think they want the final scene to be upsetting, memorable and moving to stress the adult and and melancholic nature of the game and it's universe.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Freeze

Maybe if you side with Vernon than you can amputate.

The time window for saving people from bites by amputation seems small. Rick was able to save Dale but it could have gone either way. They weren't able to save Allen or Morgan by that method.

I think Telltale planned to kill off Lee by the end of the series to give the game's ending an emotional impact like when Lee had to put his reanimated brother out of his misery in Macon with the axe. I think they want the final scene to be upsetting, memorable and moving to stress the adult and and melancholic nature of the game and it's universe.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by swebonny

I'm so stupid, I meant Dale of course. The game has many parallels with the comic. I beg to every God in this universe, let Lee amputate his arm. I'd literally be speechless if Lee dies.

The time window for saving people from bites by amputation seems small. Rick was able to save Dale but it could have gone either way. They weren't able to save Allen or Morgan by that method.

I think Telltale planned to kill off Lee by the end of the series to give the game's ending an emotional impact like when Lee had to put his reanimated brother out of his misery in Macon with the axe. I think they want the final scene to be upsetting, memorable and moving to stress the adult and and melancholic nature of the game and it's universe.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Christoaster

Is this a plausible resolution set in The Walking Dead world? I would love an explanation.

It can be but it's like a lottery, there are no guarantees and the amputation has to be done quickly. Personally I think the infection in Lee's wrist is too far gone to be caught when we last saw him, then you add the time he is going to spend looking for Clementine, which could be up to 7 hours since Vernon has left his base and Lee has no idea where they are.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Freeze

I dunno. In the comics Dale survived an amputated leg after a bite. But it's just wishful thinking on my part. I'm just pretty torn up about Lee.

I think the difference with the Dale incident is that Rick acted straight away and amputated his leg before the infection was able to spread. Michonne also acted quickly with Morgan but was not able to stop the infection from spreading in time. I think Lee has gone to long without dealing with his bite.

When the scene cuts to him going back to Vernon's base we don't know how long it took him to get there but I imagine it was quite a distance from the house they were staying in, then you add the time it will take for him to find Clementine it will definitaley be too long. He will probably start to show signs of fever during episode 5 which Telltale will most likely use to make it harder for us to focus when aiming at walkers etc to alter the game mechanics and up the difficulty level.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Natalie1213

Also, just wanted to say something that I was just thinking about. I've always hated Lilly so much, but I feel like a small part of me liked her. I actually miss her a lot. Missing a character that you've always loathed? Or that you thought you did? None other than TTG has done this for me before.
I miss Lilly, Katjaa and Duck so much. And don't even get me started on Carley. ): I miss the original cast so much, yet having this new cast just makes me remember and treasure the old cast even more, and makes me realize that even if I hated some characters, I actually have a part of me that liked them. Anyone else feeling like this as well? I can't say I dislike any character aside from Ben, whom I did feel sympathy for when he begged me to let go.
No other game has done this for me. Terrific job. I've bought the Season Pass, but I definitely will buy the disc when it comes out because I just love it so much.

Yeah I definitely miss the original group members. I even miss Larry. Compared to where Lee is now in the story those were definitely happier times. They had a whole 3 months of peace between episode 1 and 2 and lived like a family. Now you have characters that have only been with Lee for one day considering Lee meets Chuck, Christa, Omid the same day they arrvived at Savannah.

The climax of episode 4 takes place in the same day that Lee met the new group members and Lee is bitten the following morning so I didn't have the same attachment to any of the new characters.

Ben pissed me off, not just because of what he did, that can be forgivable but for how he has spoken to me over the last 2 episodes. He was rude to me at the train yard and swore at me in the class room. He will die, but not at my hand because of the effect that would have on Lee's relationship with Clementine.

As for Kenny I think he is the most unforgiving character in the series. Even Larry was starting to warm up to me and began to speak civil at times as I bonded with Lilly and I did far less for him than I did for Kenny. I tried to start over with Kenny in episode 3 and offer the olive branch and he left me to die in the pharmacy just because I didn't help him kill Larry even though Larry was dead and no harm was done to his family he still wanted to punish me. He threatened to fight me when he was drunk even though I saved him in the streets of Savannah and he refused to help me find Clementine because "I didn't always have his back". I told him to fuck himself which seemed like such a natural response from Lee at the time. So we have now parted ways.