Telltale Games

abdallah · 10/05/2007, 08:16 am

Cool, definitely looking forward to seeing it

I did notice the shader stuff in Season 1. And I understand you have a completely different model than big companies like Valve. I'll take good art direction over the Unreal 3 engine any day, and that you have

wiedo · 10/05/2007, 02:58 pm

wow.. that posts needs some formating

But thanks for the explanation Jake. And yes I noticed graphical differences between the sam & max episodes mainly because I played them al in 2 weeks.

I'm looking forward to the new Sam & Max season 2 graphics and the graphical improvements each episode. But graphics aren't that important for S&M!

Please focus on the story, humor, music and suprises (like reality 2.0)

taumel · 10/06/2007, 12:57 am

@Jake
Can you say something about the reasons why TTG prefers developing it's own engine instead of licencing middleware? As most of the time obviously there are pros and cons, so i would be interested why you went your route.

tabacco · 10/06/2007, 08:49 am

Because our engine rocks?

**Jake** · 10/06/2007, 09:23 am

I cant talk much about or show you any of the engine, but it's *very* tailored to rapid development of story-based games. It's not a generic graphics engine that we're building adventure games within, it's a set of very easy to use tools that are 100% aimed at building these games in a 3D environment. There aren't many (if any) other game engines around that would allow you to build a cinematic adventure game in as little time as we can with the Telltale Tool. As I'm not a programmer, I couldn't really tell you the downsides, though you're right that there are probably some trade-offs somewhere.

taumel · 10/07/2007, 12:17 am

Out of curiosity i really would be interested to learn something about how your workflow looks like if that's possible.

When i was asking after the middleware i didn't meant this in respect of the logic/scripting part as i already thought that there aren't, if at all, any tools around which are for sale and which fit your personal needs but in respect of something like the rendering engine, contrary to the benefit of beeing in full control (hopefully), you always have to keep it up to date, developing it further, maintainance like fixing bugs, writing workarounds and so on. The more eye candy the more pain unless you don't increase just the specs and care about fallbacks. So it's not this clear how you draw the line here if it's a drag or a benefit doing such things on your own.

**Jake** · 10/07/2007, 09:48 am

Ah gotchya. Sadly that strays far enough away from anything that I actually do day to day that someone else -- a programmer probably -- would need to answer.

taumel · 10/07/2007, 10:51 pm

Okay, i'm waiting... :O)

Erwin · 10/08/2007, 02:11 pm

Pre-ordering the Orange Box will get you TF2 in advance, right? --But does anyone know if that goes too if you order TF2 stand-alone via Steam?

--Erwin

**Jake** · 10/08/2007, 04:00 pm

I think its just part of the orange box offer, but I'm not sure.

Mel · 10/08/2007, 04:58 pm

Is the box really and truly orange? Is it a sunny, citrusy orange or more of a burnt orange?

Sorry for the spam. I'm actually curious about the packaging, though.

wisp · 10/08/2007, 11:27 pm

since the question if telltale will use tf2-style shading for sam & max is answered, i guess we could talk about it...

i think the orange box will really be orange. i would make abolutely no sense calling something orange and then giving it a different color. the only exception being if real oranges were included. but then it would be more a box of oranges than an orange box..

ohh and if you're interested in the hue of orange, they will use, you should check the valve hp. they have a lot of orange there and i should be the same that will be printed on the box. but you can never be sure..

**Jake** · 10/09/2007, 08:02 am

I don't quite know what Valve is going for with this box, but...

Guybrush Threepwood · 10/09/2007, 08:09 am

Yeah, not the best box art around...

tabacco · 10/09/2007, 08:11 am

It'll stand out like mad on a shelf though.

**Jake** · 10/09/2007, 09:36 am

It sorta looks like cartooney anti-virus software or something, though.

MeaningOfLife · 10/09/2007, 09:50 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

It sorta looks like cartooney anti-virus software or something, though.

This sounds more fun than that crazy "weather game" that came with Nintendo Wii.

LuigiHann · 10/09/2007, 10:15 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeaningOfLife

This sounds more fun than that crazy "weather game" that came with Nintendo Wii.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20

Back on topic (sort of) I agree that the Orange Box looks weird. The Portal logo in the middle especially; Portal sounds like a cool game, but "figure falling into hole" doesn't make a great box cover.

wiedo · 10/09/2007, 10:22 am

i thought the orange box was all about buying HL2 (plus the two episodes) and getting TF2 and Portal for free. But the box cover doesn't look like it.
It's more like: You get a little bit of Gordon, more Portal and a lot of TF2.

tabacco · 10/09/2007, 11:00 am

That's what it is for me

I'm not that interested in Half Life, but I love TF2 and I'm excited about Portal.

10/06/2007, 12:57 am	#23
taumel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,654	@Jake Can you say something about the reasons why TTG prefers developing it's own engine instead of licencing middleware? As most of the time obviously there are pros and cons, so i would be interested why you went your route. Last edited by taumel; 10/06/2007 at 03:36 pm.

10/07/2007, 12:17 am	#26
taumel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,654	Out of curiosity i really would be interested to learn something about how your workflow looks like if that's possible. When i was asking after the middleware i didn't meant this in respect of the logic/scripting part as i already thought that there aren't, if at all, any tools around which are for sale and which fit your personal needs but in respect of something like the rendering engine, contrary to the benefit of beeing in full control (hopefully), you always have to keep it up to date, developing it further, maintainance like fixing bugs, writing workarounds and so on. The more eye candy the more pain unless you don't increase just the specs and care about fallbacks. So it's not this clear how you draw the line here if it's a drag or a benefit doing such things on your own. Last edited by taumel; 10/07/2007 at 01:43 pm.

10/08/2007, 04:58 pm	#31
Mel Rowr! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 834	Is the box really and truly orange? Is it a sunny, citrusy orange or more of a burnt orange? Sorry for the spam. I'm actually curious about the packaging, though. __________________ “I do not at all understand the mystery of grace - only that it meets us where we are but does not leave us where it found us.” - Ann Lamott http://hikergirl.tumblr.com

10/08/2007, 11:27 pm	#32
wisp annoying...and ignored Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: somewhere, Germany Posts: 1,142	since the question if telltale will use tf2-style shading for sam & max is answered, i guess we could talk about it... i think the orange box will really be orange. i would make abolutely no sense calling something orange and then giving it a different color. the only exception being if real oranges were included. but then it would be more a box of oranges than an orange box.. ohh and if you're interested in the hue of orange, they will use, you should check the valve hp. they have a lot of orange there and i should be the same that will be printed on the box. but you can never be sure.. Last edited by wisp; 10/08/2007 at 11:33 pm.

10/09/2007, 08:09 am	#34
Guybrush Threepwood You fight like a cow! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,228	Yeah, not the best box art around... __________________ Sign here for Bone 3! (with 701+ signatures!)

10/05/2007, 08:16 am	#21
abdallah Formula 1 champion Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Cool, definitely looking forward to seeing it I did notice the shader stuff in Season 1. And I understand you have a completely different model than big companies like Valve. I'll take good art direction over the Unreal 3 engine any day, and that you have

10/06/2007, 08:49 am	#24
tabacco I Feel Fantastic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 2,129	Because our engine rocks?

10/06/2007, 09:23 am	#25
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,843	I cant talk much about or show you any of the engine, but it's very tailored to rapid development of story-based games. It's not a generic graphics engine that we're building adventure games within, it's a set of very easy to use tools that are 100% aimed at building these games in a 3D environment. There aren't many (if any) other game engines around that would allow you to build a cinematic adventure game in as little time as we can with the Telltale Tool. As I'm not a programmer, I couldn't really tell you the downsides, though you're right that there are probably some trade-offs somewhere.

10/07/2007, 09:48 am	#27
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,843	Ah gotchya. Sadly that strays far enough away from anything that I actually do day to day that someone else -- a programmer probably -- would need to answer.

10/07/2007, 10:51 pm	#28
taumel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,654	Okay, i'm waiting... :O)

10/08/2007, 02:11 pm	#29
Erwin Probably hiding a cow. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands Posts: 378	Pre-ordering the Orange Box will get you TF2 in advance, right? --But does anyone know if that goes too if you order TF2 stand-alone via Steam? --Erwin

10/08/2007, 04:00 pm	#30
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,843	I think its just part of the orange box offer, but I'm not sure.

10/09/2007, 08:02 am	#33
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,843	I don't quite know what Valve is going for with this box, but...

10/09/2007, 08:11 am	#35
tabacco I Feel Fantastic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 2,129	It'll stand out like mad on a shelf though.

10/09/2007, 09:36 am	#36
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,843	It sorta looks like cartooney anti-virus software or something, though.

10/09/2007, 11:00 am	#40
tabacco I Feel Fantastic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 2,129	That's what it is for me I'm not that interested in Half Life, but I love TF2 and I'm excited about Portal.

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