So, About Ben...

[SabreNation]

Was there anyone else out there like me who has been saying again and again that they'd off that little bastard if they got a chance but then couldn't "pull the trigger" when the time came?

I know I've wanted to kill the little puke since Carly died (I had a hunch right away that he was behind the stolen stuff.) When he finally admitted it I REALLY wanted to kill him. Then the punk failed miserably at what should've been an easy task of watching after Clementine. I was so ready to kill him.

However, when the opportunity arose... I couldn't do it. I just couldn't bring myself to kill a person when the opportunity was there to save him.

[Rock114]

Actually, you feel how most people felt.

[Demonseed]

I forgave Ben for his choice to steal supplies and give them away but I did want to kill him the moment he left Clem in that situation.

After I got a chance to speak to him and he said he "panicked" I remembered he was a kid and decided that I'd never leave him in charge of anything important again for some time, especially watching Clem.

I also choose not to drop him, I still think it is the wrong thing to do, he never directly killed anyone. I think regardless of Ben and the supplies, that gang was going to hit us anyway, who is to say which time would've been better or resulted in anything much different?

[DreadMagus]

I had planned on giving Ben a bad end... and if I hadn't been hit with a bug I would have.

But, thanks to the bug I had to replay episodes 1-3 again, and after doing so I came to the conclusion he was just a dumb kid. So by the time I get into Episode 4 I didn't have any anger to focus on him.

[marcu5]

yep, i backed down as well.

[binkman71]

I don't blame him for Carley's death...that was the sole action of the person pulling the trigger. Should he have confessed at gunpoint? Why? Everone saw Lily was a bit unhinged. When I played that scene I kept picking things I thought would help defuse things, but Lily shot anyway, with no proof, no evidence, just a desire for vegence since her dad had died. Ben to me is just a kid who saw his friends all die (not that the others haven't) but is not well equipped to handle it

I guess my view is if Clem is a daughter figure, Ben is a little brother.

[Hudomonkey]

I didn't blame him for Doug's death because Lilly actually shoots Ben not Doug and Doug sacrifices himself for Ben
Ben may be a massive problem but I need someone to sacrifice in episode 5

[aguyuno]

Originally Posted by binkman71

I don't blame him for Carley's death...that was the sole action of the person pulling the trigger. Should he have confessed at gunpoint? Why? Everone saw Lily was a bit unhinged. When I played that scene I kept picking things I thought would help defuse things, but Lily shot anyway, with no proof, no evidence, just a desire for vegence since her dad had died. Ben to me is just a kid who saw his friends all die (not that the others haven't) but is not well equipped to handle it

I guess my view is if Clem is a daughter figure, Ben is a little brother.

Considering Carley had literally NOTHING to do with her dad dying, I don't think it was vengeance. I think it was more "OH MY GOD SHE CALLED ME A BITCH".

Which is exactly why I left that bitch on the side of the road.

[DarcKage]

I dont know why I couldnt kill him in the end. He makes such god awful decisions and he's such a pathetic whiny teenager but I didnt want him to die.

Katja, Duck, Chuck and Carly (for my game) all died pretty much directly because of his actions.

[Ghositex]

You didn't kill him because you're smart. Smart people don't kill other people just because they "don't like him". Congratulations, you have a little humanity left.

[isavedDoug]

I don't think Ben's to blame fully for Carley's death, yes, I know he was dealing with the bandits that eventually led them to leave the Travelier Motel in the first place.

Carley could of easily escaped being murdered intentionally by Lilly if she hadn't started being a bitch and began flaming her... Carley, in my opinion, had what was coming to her throughout the whole RV scene (no, I'm not being biased).

While everyone thinks Carley was trying to diffuse the situation, she really wasn't, more like raising the aggression in the argument.

[LokiHavok]

I wanted to kill him back then.
ANd when the time came. I didn't shoot the zombie. I let him struggle with Oberon (Crawford leader zombie). I watched in inaction as his face was filled with terror.
And I simply did nothing. Letting him fall to his death to be devoured by the dead.

Why?
Cause fuck Ben that's why.
He was a danger to the group and a total fuck-up.
There's no room for dumb-asses in the zombie apocalypse.

[Ghositex]

Originally Posted by LokiHavok

I wanted to kill him back then.
ANd when the time came. I didn't shoot the zombie. I let him struggle with Oberon (Crawford leader zombie). I watched in inaction as his face was filled with terror.
And I simply did nothing. Letting him fall to his death to be devoured by the dead.

Why?
Cause fuck Ben that's why.
He was a danger to the group and a total fuck-up.
There's no room for dumb-asses in the zombie apocalypse.

There is no room for jerk-asses in the ZA either. You killed Ben just because you didn't like him, not because he was a "danger" to the group.

[LokiHavok]

Well yeah of course. But I don't like him, cause he's an idiot and has put the group in direct danger a half-dozen times. And he constantly fails to react or do anything of value to the group.

*He sold out the group to the bandits basically.
*He lied about that shit, causing my sharpshooting mistress to perish in his place.
*All this led to Kenny's precious but retarded child getting bit.
*Which also caused the only person resembling a doctor to shoot herself.
*He failed to act like a man and left a child to die on the streets.
*He unleashed a mini horde of zombies into a closed area.
*He can't even open a fucking locked door.
*He pulled out some drama at the worst possible time, compromising the group.

There are just a few of the Sins of Ben...
I'm sure there are more.
I would let a non-productive member die for 3-4 of these things.

[isavedDoug]

Originally Posted by LokiHavok

Well yeah of course. But I don't like him, cause he's an idiot and has put the group in direct danger a half-dozen times. And he constantly fails to react or do anything of value to the group.

*He sold out the group to the bandits basically.
*He lied about that shit, causing my sharpshooting mistress to perish in his place.
*All this led to Kenny's precious but retarded child getting bit.
*Which also caused the only person resembling a doctor to shoot herself.
*He failed to act like a man and left a child to die on the streets.
*He unleashed a mini horde of zombies into a closed area.
*He can't even open a fucking locked door.
*He pulled out some drama at the worst possible time, compromising the group.

There are just a few of the Sins of Ben...
I'm sure there are more.
I would let a non-productive member die for 3-4 of these things.

I watched a couple of 'Let's Play' videos around the time where you show (or hide) the bite and you tell the group about Clementine being missing...

When I watched almost all of the players get rejected by everyone, I thought to myself...

'Serves you right for being a complete asshole throughout the season.'

[Ghositex]

Well, noone is saying Ben isnt an useless bag of hammers, but he didn't deserve death anyway. Even most of ben-haters, including me, couldnt just let ben fall to his death. I did it however on a second save just to see how he died, it was awful.
A little off topic... Mini horde sounds unexplainablely cute

[Ghositex]

I know, right? It seems that all of those asshole-Lee saves are screwed now. It will be interesting to see Lee, bitten and alone, looking for clementine.

[LokiHavok]

Originally Posted by isavedDoug

When I watched almost all of the players get rejected by everyone, I thought to myself...

'Serves you right for being a complete asshole throughout the season.'

Everyone came with me with no convincing. I had been a pretty reasonable and pragmatic guy throughout the season.

Well except to Ben. I really couldn't forgive a betrayal like his first.
I mean seriously. We invite him into the group. Give him shelter.
And what little food we have. And he gives our precious medicines to a group of hostile bandits out of sheer spinelessness. I mean that's pretty deserving of death right there.

What I don't understand is why you guys would choose to save someone like that. He's the worst type of person. Reserved for the lowest circles of Hell.
Where Judas and Brutus reside. He's a traitor!

[isavedDoug]

Originally Posted by Ghositex

I know, right? It seems that all of those asshole-Lee saves are screwed now. It will be interesting to see Lee, bitten and alone, looking for clementine.

It would be interesting to see.

All I wanted is for Kenny to come, really. When I saw his face after showing him the bite, my face dropped, him and Lee have been together since Day 1.

I feel, regardless of who's side you've been on, he will be really sad and depressed to see Lee go too.

I had suspicions before episode 4 came out, too. That Kenny will be the protagonist in the next season, it could work but it would be boring to see the same survivors again.

[Ghositex]

Well, if you kill someone just to get some kid of profit from it, you're worse as Ben.