Well, who do you think it is, then?

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

1.) He could be running from Lee for a variety of reasons, such as leading him into a trap.

It does not seem very plausible. Now Campman is running away from Lee to get him into a trap? You forgot there is a fence between them.

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

2.) I'm not exactly sure what your point is here, but if this game has shown us anything, it's that it isn't safe to assume anything.

Considering your nickname, this does not surprise me either

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

3.) they may have just named them differently. Who knows how they put all that together? The other possibility is Campman and Radioguy could be two guys in the same group trying to trap/trick Lee.

If you examine the files you have a better idea of how people are named and how the whole game is being developed. This makes me highly confident in the idea they are two different persons. Now, are they multiple people working to trap Lee? Maybe ;-)

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

4.) Tell that to the bandits from episode 2/3.

We did not see their camp, we don't know if they had one. And as bandits they behaved like bandits. Campman behaved like a scared person.

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

5.) He didn't talk to Lee when you saw him at the fence. He wouldn't need to have the radio on him.

True, but the fact he has no radio is more a hint he is not the radio man than a hint he is.

Let's take all the facts here, there is 1 chance over 2 he is the radio guy. If I had to chose from what we know so far, I would chose he is NOT the radio man.

In fact there is absolutely NOTHING that supports he is the radio man, while there are many facts that tend to show the opposite.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

True, but the fact he has no radio is more a hint he is not the radio man than a hint he is.

All we get is a shadowy glimpse of the guy. How do you know he doesn't have the radio?

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

All we get is a shadowy glimpse of the guy. How do you know he doesn't have the radio?

Because the textures files have been analyzed and reviewed, and the radio is an item that shows on characters when they hold it. Even on the shadowy pictures you see he has no radio.

[EvE]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

This guy is campman, a survivor from a camp of survivors, and is not related to Clem's abduction. He is NOT the radio guy.

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...ad.php?t=36091

You know, now when I'm thinking about it... I have to admit that you're right (probably, cause in The Walking dead we can't be sure of anything in 100% ;p ). but it would be just too easy, I guess most of the people first thought about this 'shadow man' was "omg, it's our radio guy!" so that's why Telltale is going to suprise us about that ;]

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

It does not seem very plausible. Now Campman is running away from Lee to get him into a trap? You forgot there is a fence between them.



Considering your nickname, this does not surprise me either



If you examine the files you have a better idea of how people are named and how the whole game is being developed. This makes me highly confident in the idea they are two different persons. Now, are they multiple people working to trap Lee? Maybe ;-)



We did not see their camp, we don't know if they had one. And as bandits they behaved like bandits. Campman behaved like a scared person.



True, but the fact he has no radio is more a hint he is not the radio man than a hint he is.

Let's take all the facts here, there is 1 chance over 2 he is the radio guy. If I had to chose from what we know so far, I would chose he is NOT the radio man.

In fact there is absolutely NOTHING that supports he is the radio man, while there are many facts that tend to show the opposite.

1.) Again, a direct confrontation is never the best way to either kill someone or trap them. Luring someone onto your terms is always the best way to do it.

2.) Bandits kidnapped Jolene's daughter. Campman didn't scream in horror. He ran. You can run for a number of reasons (including tactical retreats), assuming that he was scared is just that assuming...

3.) There really is no evidence against him being radio man. You've got a lot of intuition, but that isn't evidence. He knew where the group was when they went to the house after the fact. Radioman knew that the group was in the streets near the church when the bell rang. Are you honestly telling me that a random person stumbled upon the group and just ran? Further why would TTG introduce a completely random character and have him just run away and never see him. I could, however, see that guy being the father in that family.

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by EvE

You know, now when I'm thinking about it... I have to admit that you're right (probably, cause in The Walking dead we can't be sure of anything in 100% ;p ). but it would be just too easy, I guess most of the people first thought about this 'shadow man' was "omg, it's our radio guy!" so that's why Telltale is going to suprise us about that ;]

Most people assumed that, and I did too :-) Until I went on a quest to know more, then after anaylizing deeply the data at disposal... Well, it did not seem to make sense after all.

Nice try TellTale

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

Because the textures files have been analyzed and reviewed, and the radio is an item that shows on characters when they hold it. Even on the shadowy pictures you see he has no radio.

No, you see that he's not holding it in his hand. But the guy has at least six pockets and a jacket covering his waist. He could still have the radio.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

No, you see that he's not holding it in his hand. But the guy has at least six pockets and a jacket covering his waist. He could still have the radio.

or in his backpack :P

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

or in his backpack :P

Or back at his hideout.

Even Lee, who we know has a radio, isn't seen to be carrying it around all the time.

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

He knew where the group was when they went to the house after the fact. Radioman knew that the group was in the streets near the church when the bell rang. Are you honestly telling me that a random person stumbled upon the group and just ran? Further why would TTG introduce a completely random character and have him just run away and never see him. I could, however, see that guy being the father in that family.

Actually, there is a sequence in which you can guess where Clem saw the RadioMan. It's at the beginning of the game. Then she goes for the radio. You can see where RadioMan was hidden to watch you.

The man is not random. He is a key character of episode 5, because he is CampMan, the man from the camp. TellTale did not name him RandomGuy, but CampMan. I never said he was random, in fact I strongly link him to the plot with a camp of survivors. I even think (speculation) that the whole boat story will never happen. The boat is a lie.

The key was not to have the story around RadioMan/CampMan so far, but around the Crawford's events, Vernon's group, and the boat.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

Actually, there is a sequence when you can guess where Clem saw the RadioMan. It's at the beginning of the game. Then she goes for the radio. You can see where RadioMan was hidden to watch you.

The man is not random. He is a key character of episode 5, because he is CampMan, the man from the camp. TellTale did not name him RandomGuy, but CampMan. I never said he was random.

The key was not to have the story around RadioMan/CampMan so far, but around the Crawford's events, Vernon's group, and the boat.

Or she is trying to get in contact with radio man to try to find her parents (for further instructions or whatever). My point with radio man hiding is that since he knows where you are in the street (is watching most likely), he can very easily find where you are at the house.

My point with the random guy at the fence is that the likelihood of a random person finding the exact house where the group is, is far less likely than the guy that has been stalking them.

What I'm most interested in is how you figured out that "camp man" isn't the radio man? Was there something that you discovered that dictated that or is it just conjecture?

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

My point with the random guy at the fence is that the likelihood of a random person finding the exact house where the group is, is far less likely than the guy that has been stalking them.

Why not a random encounter? That could explain why he seemed scared of Lee. There is no reason for Radio Guy to come unarmed at the fence, show himself, and run away. To put Lee in a trap? To hope that Lee will jump over the fence and run after him? That does not make a lot of sense.

In the same way, the likelihood of a random Molly finding the exact location of Lee and Kenny is low, and the likelihood of a random you finding the exact location of a camp of cancer survivors under the hospital is very low too.

Still, both happened...

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

What I'm most interested in is how you figured out that "camp man" isn't the radio man? Was there something that you discovered that dictated that or is it just conjecture?

Because the game files with CampMan designate the guy as CampMan, while game files with the Radio Voice designate the radio man as "RadioVoice". You can say "oh wait, maybe they put two different names on the same person" but let me assure you they did not, because everything is very well sorted in their game files, and I never saw such a thing for any other character.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

Why not a random encounter? That could explain why he seemed scared of Lee. There is no reason for Radio Guy to come unarmed at the fence, show himself, and run away. To put Lee in a trap? To hope that Lee will jump over the fence and run after him? That does not make a lot of sense.

In the same way, the likelihood of a random Molly finding the exact location of Lee and Kenny is low, and the likelihood of a random you finding the exact location of a camp of cancer survivors under the hospital is very low too.

Still, both happened...



Because the game files with CampMan designate the guy as CampMan, while game files with the Radio Voice designate the radio man as "RadioVoice". You can say "oh wait, maybe they put two different names on the same person" but let me assure you they did not, because everything is very well sorted in their game files, and I never saw such a thing for any other character.

Or he was scouting Lee and the group out. Again, it was one guy against how many other people from the group? 4-5 able bodied people. I'm not sure what his motives were

On Molly, I'll agree the chances that they find her are remote. But that doesn't mean that the other person must also be a random person that found the group's base.

Okay, I'll present it to you like this, which of these scenarios do you find more probable?

1.) A random man is walking around the streets of savannah (possibly scavenging) and happens upon another group of survivors. He sees the man burying a young boy, and runs away in fear.

2.) A stalker is watching the group from a distance, sees where they enter a house and approaches the fence to get a closer look/scouting them out further. He gets spotted by one of the members of the group and runs.

I'm not saying camp man can't be some random guy who found them, but it seems far more probable for it to be the stalker than some random guy.

You're entitled to believe what you want and I can respect that. However, camp man vs. radio voice and your assurances aren't really convincing me that the two aren't one in the same.

[Thadeum]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

Or he was scouting Lee and the group out. Again, it was one guy against how many other people from the group? 4-5 able bodied people. I'm not sure what his motives were

On Molly, I'll agree the chances that they find her are remote. But that doesn't mean that the other person must also be a random person that found the group's base.

Okay, I'll present it to you like this, which of these scenarios do you find more probable?

1.) A random man is walking around the streets of savannah (possibly scavenging) and happens upon another group of survivors. He sees the man burying a young boy, and runs away in fear.

2.) A stalker is watching the group from a distance, sees where they enter a house and approaches the fence to get a closer look/scouting them out further. He gets spotted by one of the members of the group and runs.

I'm not saying camp man can't be some random guy who found them, but it seems far more probable for it to be the stalker than some random guy.

You're entitled to believe what you want and I can respect that. However, camp man vs. radio voice and your assurances aren't really convincing me that the two aren't one in the same.

Scenario 1 seems more probable after investigation, sorry

Okay, I'll present it to you like this, which of these scenarios do you find more probable?

1) TellTalle shows you the radio voice man at the fence, because it's their pleasure to do so, and in a way that makes him look really hostile, so on the next episode you have no surprise to meet him again as the radio man, and you are ready to fight him off.

2) TellTale shows you a guy, and makes it in a way you believe he is the radio man, because you know you are stalked. Then on the next episode they deceive your expectations, the guy is in fact a survivor from a camp of survivors (proven fact), you are introduced to new people, and what you thought obvious was absolutely not.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

The black guy. Duh!

They are responsible for everything that goes wrong.


I think it's the owner of the Car full of goods in ep. 2.

His family more than likely starved and this is his way of getting revenge. We never heard anything more of the car choice, it had little effect.

I back this claim up by saying the radio did not become active until ep. 3 when we see clem talking into it during the "detective" scene.

I also bring into evidence the fact that the car had a small hoodie in it that as Katjaa said "Looks like it fits clem's size"

That is plenty of motive and evidence to believe that the owner of the car is the person on the radio and he is trying to get revenge on the group that stole all his supplies and as a result caused the death of his family.

So as a result the ending will be altered greatly by the fact of if the player decided to loot the car or not.

[Clord]

Since actual model is mostly black. It could be that past choices affect that who the story's final villain ends up to be. There is many ways to manipulate the voice. However more likely it is the "supreme leader."

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

Scenario 1 seems more probable after investigation, sorry

Okay, I'll present it to you like this, which of these scenarios do you find more probable?

1) TellTalle shows you the radio voice man at the fence, because it's their pleasure to do so, and in a way that makes him look really hostile, so on the next episode you have no surprise to meet him again as the radio man, and you are ready to fight him off.

2) TellTale shows you a guy, and makes it in a way you believe he is the radio man, because you know you are stalked. Then on the next episode they deceive your expectations, the guy is in fact a survivor from a camp of survivors (proven fact), you are introduced to new people, and what you thought obvious was absolutely not.

I'll agree to disagree on this. I respect what you're saying, but I don't think either of us is going to convince the other. Cheers, mate.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by Thadeum

Because the game files with CampMan designate the guy as CampMan, while game files with the Radio Voice designate the radio man as "RadioVoice". You can say "oh wait, maybe they put two different names on the same person" but let me assure you they did not, because everything is very well sorted in their game files, and I never saw such a thing for any other character.

No other characters have had their identity be part of a mystery.

[Wydiwyg]

Quoting myself here from another thread:

Originally Posted by Wydiwyg

I honestly have no idea who the mysterious man (TMM) could be, everything just seems to be too unlikely.
The most prominent idea would be the "Person from Lee's past followed the group all the way from the Beginning" theory, right?
But how did he find him in the first place? TMM would need to have already followed Lee when the world was still normal with Lee on his way to prison and ignore all the zombie madness afterwards to be able to connect him to Clem, he then needed to know about the Walkie Talkie and the fact that it still works, then find another one for himself, the correct frequency and one hell of a fighting spirit, ammo, food and a vehicle for a decent time span (including the 3 months idle at the motor inn), so he could follow Lee from Macon to Savannah and still be multiple steps ahead.
If we assume that TMM is the dead senator's brother or some other relative who wants some kind of vendetta, then this guy must be about 10 times as tough as the TV series' Daryl and yet he still doesn't take the chance to kill Lee albeit having countless chances to do so.
It just doesn't add up and I'm kind of afraid that TMM will turn out to be a nonsensical MacGuffin that totally ruins the story. I hope I'm wrong.

The_Cheshire_Cat's guess (owner of the car with all the food) seems to be as good as any other one, although many players decided not to take the food. It would also leave a pretty big plot hole, since the man was clearly not around when you took the food, so he couldn't know about the Walkie-Talkie.
I don't know.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by Wydiwyg

Quoting myself here from another thread:



The_Cheshire_Cat's guess (owner of the car with all the food) seems to be as good as any other one, although many players decided not to take the food. It would also leave a pretty big plot hole, since the man was clearly not around when you took the food, so he couldn't know about the Walkie-Talkie.
I don't know.

Ah, but where did the batteries for the walkie talkie come from? From the car.

So..we can reasonably assume that the stalker had a radio of his own.

Maybe it was Clem that told him about the food. After all she did talk in it pretending she was talking to her folks.

She easily could have told the story about the car, and that some of the people in the group took some.

We dunno at what point the radio became "active" but we for sure know that they were in "contact" since the end of ep.2


But lets say this. Lets say that Clem did not tell the radio about the car and the food. The man could have easily been hiding in the woods with his family. One can assume that given the situation and having a family to protect that the best course of option is to hide from strangers rather than confront.