Here we go again...-_-

[kingmartykim]

Ok people, i know Carley's death was sad and unexpected...and a lot of people just made pissed me off just by reading 1000 same hreads of how sad and angry they were about her death...etc....it was sad and yes i got over it and a lot of people did too.

Now it's dejavu all over again with Lee's bite...as much as i want Lee to live it makes this story more interesting and deep....no one lives forever in ZA....besides even Kirkman said that Rick was going to die eventually in his comics so I wouldn't be surprised if Lee died aswell.

Now after Lee's bite...i really have a big feeling that Clem will be reunited with her mum. If not....I'm ready for another twist and shock ending from Tell Tale

[skepticalguy90]

I don't think TTG has a happy ending in store. I could be wrong, but that wouldn't be TWD's style. I think most of the remaining group are going to get picked off one by one.

[TheNNerdGamer]

i doubt her mom is alive at all

[DreadMagus]

Here we go... again?

Lee getting bit didn't raise anywhere near as much noise as Carley dying.

[Viner16]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Here we go... again?

Lee getting bit didn't raise anywhere near as much noise as Carley dying.

Poor Doug was pretty much ignored with only the occasional thread...

[Motordead]

I'm hoping for a sad, tear jerking ending. I wouldn't accept anything else. This is the walking dead, if we end on a happy note, I will be surprised.

[kingmartykim]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Here we go... again?

Lee getting bit didn't raise anywhere near as much noise as Carley dying.

Yeap....very true...however what bothers me is the fact that people aren't accepting Lee's bite deadly...not even as a bite but a scratch or w/e......we all knew Lee was going to die from a very long time and we were right!

Tell Tale...do your magic

[IndigoHawk]

The difference is whether the deaths are good writing or not. Doug/Carley's death could have been good writing, but it ended up bad because it was piled up with Katjaa's and Duck's deaths to make sure the player knew they were supposed to be sad. Telltale was one subtle step away from putting a "Cry Now" QTE on the train, where the player pressed QQ to cry.

Lee's death is different. It's being set up properly, and it's going to cover new ground. He is the first one facing his death knowing how much he needs to get done before the clock runs out. It's going to be sad, but it could be well done.

When Lee dies, people will be sad, but there won't be as much outrage.

[trd84]

Lee's immune to the bite if you drank the water in EP1.


I wish they would have revealed the bite at the beginning of EP 5. I hate already knowing Lee is going to die before I play the episode.

[Phoenix VII]

My Lee drank the water in Ep. 1 so he's good to go.

I didn't care for how it was pre-determined that Lee would be bitten no matter what you did, and the bite he gets if you check behind the plywood first still looks so weak and awkward to me, but nothing to do about it now. I'm hoping that Lee dies like a boss saving the rest of the group.

[Epic Kiwi]

I don't even remember any water in Episode 1. When was this?

[kingmartykim]

[QUOTE=Phoenix VII;700977]My Lee drank the water in Ep. 1 so he's good to go.

LOL...so did MINE!!!! that would be hilarious!!!!

Originally Posted by Epic Kiwi

I don't even remember any water in Episode 1. When was this?

It's in Clem's house...the kitchen you go in there and there's a cup of water...lol

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by kingmartykim

Yeap....very true...however what bothers me is the fact that people aren't accepting Lee's bite deadly...not even as a bite but a scratch or w/e......we all knew Lee was going to die from a very long time and we were right!

Tell Tale...do your magic

Well, some people might be coming into this without prior knowledge of the walking dead setting... and thus do not realize that a bite = 100% death.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

Originally Posted by Epic Kiwi

I don't even remember any water in Episode 1. When was this?

at Clem´s House.
I drank.
Lee is now immortal.

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Here we go... again?

Lee getting bit didn't raise anywhere near as much noise as Carley dying.

Same.

[shedim]

Originally Posted by kingmartykim

Ok people, i know Carley's death was sad and unexpected...and a lot of people just made pissed me off just by reading 1000 same hreads of how sad and angry they were about her death...etc....it was sad and yes i got over it and a lot of people did too.

Now it's dejavu all over again with Lee's bite...as much as i want Lee to live it makes this story more interesting and deep....no one lives forever in ZA....besides even Kirkman said that Rick was going to die eventually in his comics so I wouldn't be surprised if Lee died aswell.

Now after Lee's bite...i really have a big feeling that Clem will be reunited with her mum. If not....I'm ready for another twist and shock ending from Tell Tale

Railroading such important plot-twists is just bad game design. It's okay in books, comics or TV shows, but I think it's quite lame to do something like that in a computer game that is supposed to be interactive media. An intelligent way of doing this without making players feel cheated , is leaving the choice to them: Save Carley or save somebody else. Either way somebody dies and the story doesn't need to change a lot, because the survivor could just replace the other person. TTG could even use similar or the very same dialogue options. Carley could have done something similar stupid in Crawford, I mean the woman doesn't even know how to change a radio's batteries! TTG could have left you the choice of saving somebody in Episode 4, but that's going to get you bit OR leaving that person to die for sure (and you still can die or get bit in Episode 5, or die an "for players acceptable" death such as sacrificing yourself for Clementine or somebody else, but at least you get the choice to do so). Of course people are pissed because they liked Carley/Lee and both died because some lazy dude decided to lame them to death with "The Walking Rollercoaster".

For instance, I saw the bite coming and I wanted to approach the cartboard from the left, to see if there's a walker behind it, but the game simply didn't let me. Same with the invulnerable walkers when you save Clementine. I was fast enough to kill qute a bunch of walkers and then all of a sudden they went like WoW-Paladin bubble, so that Chuck can die a pointless death. That's just lame.

[DreadMagus]

WoW-Paladin bubble?

WTF is that?

[shedim]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

WoW-Paladin bubble?

WTF is that?

World of Warcraft's Paladin class had a silly ability that allowed them to turn invulnerable for a couple of seconds. It looked like a golden bubble and people used to make a lot of jokes about the Paladin class because of their lame, coward bubble.

Don't get me wrong though, it's not like the story is bad, it's just a shame that they didn't get the most out of the medium they used for their story. You can't change things in books, but an adventure-like game should allow you to write your own story, a story where you can make your own decisions, which could be easily done in a computer game without even changing the major plot. Lilly could have shot Ben, if you argumented against him but in the end it just doesn't matter at all because the results are the same: Carley dies no matter what the player did in that situation. This is lame, since it creates an illusion of you having a choice that in fact you do not have. Same thing with Lee's railroad bite. Why did they even bother leaving me a choice, if the results are preset? Those illusionary choices create more frustration, that they do any good. TTG would have done better just leaving them out.

TL;DR: People are pissed that TTG is serving us choices, that in fact aren't choices at all.

[kingmartykim]

Originally Posted by shedim

Railroading such important plot-twists is just bad game design. It's okay in books, comics or TV shows, but I think it's quite lame to do something like that in a computer game that is supposed to be interactive media. An intelligent way of doing this without making players feel cheated , is leaving the choice to them: Save Carley or save somebody else. Either way somebody dies and the story doesn't need to change a lot, because the survivor could just replace the other person. TTG could even use similar or the very same dialogue options. Carley could have done something similar stupid in Crawford, I mean the woman doesn't even know how to change a radio's batteries! TTG could have left you the choice of saving somebody in Episode 4, but that's going to get you bit OR leaving that person to die for sure (and you still can die or get bit in Episode 5, or die an "for players acceptable" death such as sacrificing yourself for Clementine or somebody else, but at least you get the choice to do so). Of course people are pissed because they liked Carley/Lee and both died because some lazy dude decided to lame them to death with "The Walking Rollercoaster".

For instance, I saw the bite coming and I wanted to approach the cartboard from the left, to see if there's a walker behind it, but the game simply didn't let me. Same with the invulnerable walkers when you save Clementine. I was fast enough to kill qute a bunch of walkers and then all of a sudden they went like WoW-Paladin bubble, so that Chuck can die a pointless death. That's just lame.

I agree...i checked the board first also because i knew something was fishy and yet i got the bite.....i don't even know why there was a choice on the cardboard when the consequences were the same....that to me was a wee bit sloppy...but i ain't complaining lol

[BMane]

Originally Posted by shedim

For instance, I saw the bite coming and I wanted to approach the cartboard from the left, to see if there's a walker behind it, but the game simply didn't let me. Same with the invulnerable walkers when you save Clementine. I was fast enough to kill qute a bunch of walkers and then all of a sudden they went like WoW-Paladin bubble, so that Chuck can die a pointless death. That's just lame.

Your inhabiting Lee's character, not a character you made up. You control his actions and responses to a certain extent, but by no means is this a game where you can do things on your own accord in complete freedom. It isn't that type of game. It's "interactive" not "free-roam", you interact with what is put there in front of you.

I agree with you on both points regarding the bite and Chuck, and there are many more examples of what I would have done differently to how Lee did it. Hell, I face palmed on many occasions when Lee would walk by a perfectly good natural weapon, or leaving Clem's house without getting supplies.

And Chucks death felt very cheap, yes he saved Clem, but it didn't have the impact it should have had. It was like he was simply a placeholder character for that moment, and Chuck to me felt like a very interesting character to get to know. So having no decision impact in Chucks case left a sore mark for me.

But again, this isn't a game where you can make decisions that you make. They have to limit your responses, and it has to be railroad to a certain extent because if it didn't, the guys at Telltale would be overwhelmed with all the possible scenarios left open and in the end, what would happen? Pulling a lost would happen, that's what.

Carley/Doug have to die, because it's their fate. Because having them lived removes the emotional impact. You and lots of others wouldn't be posting on the forums giving out if it didn't have impact. That is a success for Telltale. Having players even outraged over it is a success. If they simply gave you the option to save her (for the second time) then what impact would there be if you could simply select for someone else to die?

Sometimes the harder decision is to give the player no decision in the process, let it play out. That's what happened, and that's what needs to happen in certain cases. Chuck dying? I felt I wanted more decision in that, that felt cheap. But again it has served its purpose for the shock value it had, but you just have to move on. Carley dieing I was completely shocked, more so than Lee getting bitten, but I accepted it because that needed to happen for the impact it left.

This is a story telling game. I know a mate of mine purchased it thinking it would be a survival type game with free roam, and he did buy it without asking me. Now he's completely pissed off but more fool him for thinking he can act things out the way he wanted too himself.

It is all about the journey and choices, yes, limited choices, but choices regardless and how they impact the story. Your being told a story, and your playing in it with limited interactivity, that's enough for most people.

[trd84]

Originally Posted by shedim

Railroading such important plot-twists is just bad game design. It's okay in books, comics or TV shows, but I think it's quite lame to do something like that in a computer game that is supposed to be interactive media. An intelligent way of doing this without making players feel cheated , is leaving the choice to them: Save Carley or save somebody else. Either way somebody dies and the story doesn't need to change a lot, because the survivor could just replace the other person. TTG could even use similar or the very same dialogue options. Carley could have done something similar stupid in Crawford, I mean the woman doesn't even know how to change a radio's batteries! TTG could have left you the choice of saving somebody in Episode 4, but that's going to get you bit OR leaving that person to die for sure (and you still can die or get bit in Episode 5, or die an "for players acceptable" death such as sacrificing yourself for Clementine or somebody else, but at least you get the choice to do so). Of course people are pissed because they liked Carley/Lee and both died because some lazy dude decided to lame them to death with "The Walking Rollercoaster".

For instance, I saw the bite coming and I wanted to approach the cartboard from the left, to see if there's a walker behind it, but the game simply didn't let me. Same with the invulnerable walkers when you save Clementine. I was fast enough to kill qute a bunch of walkers and then all of a sudden they went like WoW-Paladin bubble, so that Chuck can die a pointless death. That's just lame.

The only reason I saw the bit coming was because of the marker they put on the board, without it i would have been very surprised.