Robert Kirkman really screwed up Lily in The Road to Woodbury...

[The_Ripper]

Don't let you being cheated.

I tell you the story:

Telltale introduced Lilly from the comics WITH PERMISSION OF ROBERT KIRKMAN. Robert Kirkman agreed with the story, give his own suggestions to Telltale, and was happy and all fans too. Because yes, Robert Kirkman was directly involved in the story development since the beginning.

Now Mr. Kirkman wrote a book with the Lilly's background story and he doesn't care about he did for this game. If Kirkman does this (I don't know if this is true, I didn't read the book) there are two things:

- Kirkman betrays not only Telltale but Skybound too, comics editors. They had a deal with Telltale.

- Kirkman becomes George Lucas II and he only matters about money and not his story.

[Gibbeynator]

Solving the Lilly problem would make a great stinger after the end of the season. Either they find a way to reconcile the two characters back into one, or they kill Lilly so she can't be the one from the comics.

[Masta23]

Originally Posted by The_Ripper

Don't let you being cheated.

I tell you the story:

Telltale introduced Lilly from the comics WITH PERMISSION OF ROBERT KIRKMAN. Robert Kirkman agreed with the story, give his own suggestions to Telltale, and was happy and all fans too. Because yes, Robert Kirkman was directly involved in the story development since the beginning.

Now Mr. Kirkman wrote a book with the Lilly's background story and he doesn't care about he did for this game. If Kirkman does this (I don't know if this is true, I didn't read the book) there are two things:

- Kirkman betrays not only Telltale but Skybound too, comics editors. They had a deal with Telltale.

- Kirkman becomes George Lucas II and he only matters about money and not his story.

Actually Jay Bonansinga wrote the book with Kirkman offering input, like he did with Telltale, but I see your point. it was very obvious that the Lilly from the comics and the game were supposed to be the same. I wonder what kirkman was thinking.

[Viner16]

From what we've seen Kirkman and TellTale are gonna ignore this and hope no one remembers...

[mkane24]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

How do you explain this then?

http://youtu.be/xGPMqElW2nE?t=2m8s

Because Kirkman wrote the road to woodbury. what he writes is cannon for me.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by mkane24

Because Kirkman wrote the road to woodbury. what he writes is cannon for me.

He gave input, like the game. Kirkman can't write novels.

[CapAp]

Kirkman's a normal dude who got lucky with his zombie book. It came at just the right time and hit just the right note for the fad that zombies had become in American pop culture. He rode that wave all the way to the bank three times and back. Nobody should be surprised at anything he does to cash in his franchise. I believe he does in fact care about the story he tells in his comic. Everything else is money money money, from the ownership disputes over the TV show to the cash-for-title Telltale agreement. Tell me, how would this game have been any different if it hadn't had the Walking Dead name on it? It just would have sold fewer copies, that's all. Kirkman knows what his franchise is worth, and he's going to sell sell sell it until the market is saturated and nobody wants any more of it.

Don't hate him for it, just realize that's what he is. Not your friend, not a fellow nerd who loves zombies, not a magical creator-wizard who lives in a tower of cookies dispensing joy to the rest of us. Kirkman is a businessman who is selling you something you like. Buy it as long as you like it. He will sell it as long as you do.

[ZacTB]

I read the comics and watched the TV show before I played this game but after playing it I prefer the game to either of those. The story told is much better I think and I prefer the characters. I do like the comics and TV show but for me, this game is in a whole other league. I think Telltale is doing the Walking Dead series justice and Kirkman should acknowledge it by respecting and leaving alone what they have done. Even if both Lilly's are different, it is too much of a coincidence that they have the exact same name, same kind of look and the same job (work at the exact same Air Force Base, Robins Air Base in Georgia) and Telltale's Lilly leaves in a way that is extremely possible for her to end up in Woodbury, and do the actions in the comics for reasons that could include what happens in the game. It completely ruins it for me.

[Gibbeynator]

Is any of this contradictory backstory, for lack of a better word, shown in the book? Or is it just mentioned in passing?

[Ninnuendo]

It is Kirkman who has screwed Telltale. He knew they were creating the game as canon, he signed off on it. This is purely a matter of ego, thinking he could do a better job of backstorying her, turns out he was wrong.

[Nekrocop]

I do not give two shits about the book.

My (Lee's) decisions caused Lily to travel to Woodbury and "play a big role in Rick's life.

Kirkman has no idea how good this game has become. He can cash out on the TV show, but he should really keep things canon for the comics. Not just go around and sell his "Walking Dead" name all over the place.


I'll be honest, I wanted to read Rise of the Gov, but some reviews simply said that it doesn't feel like TWD at all. The game does though and for me it's even better than the comics.

My opinion on the comics in their current state is that Kirkman has the same plan and he will keep using it to get customers. And that plan is simply make an appealing character, keep him alive for a long time and then kill him to get sales on a single issue. Another part of the plan is recycling old plots:
D.C = The Prison
Negan = The Governor
Abraham = Tyrese etc.

Does anyone agree?

Note: I do know that anyone would be out of ideas for his merchandise at this point.

[owner070]

WOW WAIT is this game based on a book ?? Wtf i thought telltale games made the story by them self. What i would do if i was Telltale games just stfu with that guy and made a own story ? and if there's a contract every shit thing on this world has a weakness ?

[Nekrocop]

Originally Posted by owner070

WOW WAIT is this game based on a book ?? Wtf i thought telltale games made the story by them self. What i would do if i was Telltale games just stfu with that guy and made a own story ? and if there's a contract every shit thing on this world has a weakness ?

It's based on a comic book. The problem here is that 1 character contradicts with another version of the character(Lily from the game and Lily from the new book), while both versions are based on the comic Lily.

If it wasn't for Kirkmans whoring out on his franchise we wouldn't have gotten the game in the first place.

[Nintendo Boy1]

Despite who's right or who's wrong in this situation... For the people who read the book and played the game, which backstory is better?

[YamiRaziel]

It's not the first time Kirkman is being an ass. He thinks he's above the fans. While I agree that the fans shouldn't influence his storytelling, change a great character that people love for no apparent reason is just dumb. You want to fuck up your own universe with paradoxes, Kirkman? Well... it's your series, do whatever you feel. Don't expect us to appreciate it though.

Now to clarify some things. Lilly (Game version) the way she was written is comic book Lilly. She does go to Woodbury and later meet Rick.
To me personally having a book about a Lilly that contradicts such an amazing character is stupid and wrong.
I will read the book when I have the time and I will decide which version I would prefer to set as my own canon. Still, in my opinion Lilly (Game version) is such an amazing character and putting HER in a book would enrich and develop her even further. It is just sad that Kirkman lost the opportunity with this character for reasons he doesn't care to explain.

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I will read the book when I have the time and I will decide which version I would prefer to set as my own canon.

That is the only thing that can be done anyway. The reader's universe, the reader's rules.

[Jokieman]

Originally Posted by Nintendo Boy1

Despite who's right or who's wrong in this situation... For the people who read the book and played the game, which backstory is better?

The book had rather one dimensional characters. It was simply Meh. In fact the more I go into it, the more it seems that the game and the show are the only two mediums where the characters are MORE than one dimensional.

Also, in Kirkman's universe it is apparently impossible for any group of people to work together for any length of time, which strikes me as a little over-done, but definitely reveals that Kirkman has created his own formula for his particular zombie apocalypse universe and he uses it in all things.

Fact of the matter is, if anyone has read a "series" of books, you will see issues like this crop up, and it is clear that Kirkman really doesn't care about consistency across the mediums. It seems like his ONLY goal is to use the different mediums to get as many people interested as possible, but changes things up just enough so that those people will then feel like they have to play the game/read the comics/read the books/watch the show to get the complete story and also to see the changes across each medium.

He would be better served by making each medium have it's own group with only very small and minor tie ins, but whatever.

Many, Many people who author a series like this end up pissing off the fans at some point for $$$, and only a few ever really pay the price.

[YamiRaziel]

Yeah but it doesn't make sense. If he want us to use all the different mediums in order to understand the complete story, then making the game Lilly, the book Lilly would be the logical way to go. This way everybody who was at least intrigued by the character would have a reason to buy and read the book. It also works vice verse. You see the character in the comic book, you hear there is a book, you read it and it's good, but you hear that there is even more to it. Then you buy the game to experience the full ingenuity of the connections between the different mediums.

The only reason to go against that would be if he didn't wanted to force his readers to become gamers too. Not everybody is a gamer, although The Walking Dead is not a hard game even for beginners.

I don't mind keeping the universes separate but when you've already stated that they share the same universe... well, it is a kinda of a let down. Especially when TT provides such a masterful storytelling, going against it is a very, very idiotic idea, storywise.

[Jokieman]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Yeah but it doesn't make sense. If he want us to use all the different mediums in order to understand the complete story, then making the game Lilly, the book Lilly would be the logical way to go. This way everybody who was at least intrigued by the character would have a reason to buy and read the book. It also works vice verse. You see the character in the comic book, you hear there is a book, you read it and it's good, but you hear that there is even more to it. Then you buy the game to experience the full ingenuity of the connections between the different mediums.

The only reason to go against that would be if he didn't wanted to force his readers to become gamers too. Not everybody is a gamer, although The Walking Dead is not a hard game even for beginners.

I don't mind keeping the universes separate but when you've already stated that they share the same universe... well, it is a kinda of a let down. Especially when TT provides such a masterful storytelling, going against it is a very, very idiotic idea, storywise.

It doesn't make sense and either he is limited in his thought processes or he doesn't care. Based on his formula for the Walking Dead I tend to believe that Kirkman is rather limited in his thought processes and creativity...

I really think he should have focused on separate groups for each medium. There was no excuse not to other than it might have been a little extra work to do so or he is unable to.

[Jokieman]

Originally Posted by Nintendo Boy1

Despite who's right or who's wrong in this situation... For the people who read the book and played the game, which backstory is better?

The game has more well rounded characters. The book's back story is really one dimensional on many levels and not well thought out. Fact of the matter is Lily as she was in the book would have died in the first few hours of the Turn and there would be no Lily. From a psychology profile standpoint, that's just the way it would be for someone like Lily (from the book).