Robert Kirkman really screwed up Lily in The Road to Woodbury...

[dee23]

Originally Posted by bdawgnit1785

If it's a different Lily then it is neither stupid or lazy!!! BUT if she is indeed Lily Caul from the comics just as glenn and hershell were from the comics then it's not just stupid or lazy but somewhat insulting. I had this book come thru amazon but sent it back before it was ever opened and I sure others have done the same or not bothered to look at it at all.

My main point wasn't that Kirkman isn't allowed to do this it's just WHY??

To be 100% honest tho I don't consider the books to be cannon to the comics/ show/ or game. The books are nothing like the TWD universe in that alot of the show/game/comic is all about visuals and books are just words, rise of the governor never felt like TWD to me and the Lily thing just confirms my dislike for the books made by Kirkman/whoever else

Of course the novels are canon. They are prequels to the comics. Saying they aren't canon is like saying the star wars prequels aren't canon to the Star wars series. It's a shame you sent back the book because Telltale made Lily different from how Kirkman intended. The book fleshes out the Lily character more than the game ever could. When telltale made Lily it was guess work. They had little to go on. Kirkman gives us the real Lily back story in the way he gave us the back story for Michonne and the Governor. It seems like your counting the game as being more canon than the novel. If so I would liken that to one who has been taught falsehood before the truth and chosen to keep to the original story they were told even after the original author revealed the authentic version. But to each his own. As a walking dead fan I will enjoy the TV show, play the game, enjoy the comics and their back stories(novels)

[dee23]

Originally Posted by mkane24

Because Kirkman wrote the road to woodbury. what he writes is cannon for me.

I agree.

[dee23]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

The novel is the only back story we can accept.

The game can never be the back story because of the "tailored" experience. For example, people would never be able to agree if Lee helped kill her father or not.

The novel is stable.

Exactly.

[dee23]

What baffles me are all the people that are saying that the game's back story for Lily is better than Kirkman's in the novel. Preposterous. It's not that Telltale's back story for Lily is better it's that it is the one that people were used to. They saw that story first and accepted it as canon. I bet if the Lily depicted in the novel was portrayed that way in the game and the game version of Lily was in the novel, fickle fucks would be saying the games back story was better, again because it's the version they have seen first. I don't know how any one can say the game is better than the comics. Firstly you can't really compare an interactive video game to a book or comic as they are complete different mediums. You compare a game to a game, a comic episode to another, etc. Secondly how the Fuck can you compare an 9 month story(because of the release delays actually would have been a 5 month story) spanning only 13 weeks in the in the ZA to a story that has been going for 8 years+ covering Rick's 18+ months in the ZA.

The game was good but to say it's story or it's characters were better than the characters or stories in the comics is utter bollocks. The Governor character alone was voted villain of the year in various magazines the year he debuted. The comic sets the standard and remains the best version of the walking dead. It's powerful because it uses still images but can still incite panic in it's audience and cause pathos. People cried when Glenn got murdered in the comics and wept over the loss of many other characters. The only character deaths in the game I was sad about were Carly's and Lee's. The game effected different people differently because of it's "tailor made" experience but the comics impacts on a larger group because we see all the characters the same way, as villains or people we want to survive.

The comic is canon and the novel's Lily is more consistent with the Lily shown in the comics if you think about it. The Lily in the game behaved nothing like the original Lily from the comics. The version of her in the game was based on Telltale's interpretation of her with their limited knowledge. They made her a fiery, bitchy, callous character because they felt she had done an evil thing in the comic, but she didn't do a wicked thing in the comic. Lily was a manipulated pawn in the Governors plan of revenge. She was tricked into killing Lori, she thought Rick's group were the bad guys. She was told along with all the other citizens of Woodbury that Rick's people were dangerous and were coming back to their town to harm them. Yes,the Governor lied to her. He manipulated her like a pawn for his revenge. He ordered her to kill Lori so she wouldn't escape and endanger their community. When Lily realised the Governor lied to her and Lori was an unarmed woman with a baby she was furious. She was in tears,hardly the reaction of the wicked.

[CarScar]

I'm just going to consider the Lilly from the game as the ultimate canon. I recently read the book and it was trash, I'm going to just pretend it never happened.

[DreadMagus]

What book?

[Gman5852]

Can't I just consider game Lilly to NOT be Lilly in the comics and have both the book and the game be canon?

[watertommyz]

Has anyone considered that it might be the Television version of Lily, and not comic book Lily?

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by watertommyz

Has anyone considered that it might be the Television version of Lily, and not comic book Lily?

Probably not. It's stated in the game itself that it's based on the comic book, and has no mention of the TV series anywhere. Is she even in the TV version? She played a relatively minor role in the comic. I think that's the main reason Telltale used her, so they could have some flexibility. If she's much more prominent in the TV show it wouldn't be a very good idea to use the character.

[watertommyz]

Originally Posted by Mornai

Probably not. It's stated in the game itself that it's based on the comic book, and has no mention of the TV series anywhere. Is she even in the TV version? She played a relatively minor role in the comic. I think that's the main reason Telltale used her, so they could have some flexibility. If she's much more prominent in the TV show it wouldn't be a very good idea to use the character.

No, I meant that book is supposed to be the "television" version of Lilly. I only bring this up because it might be a marketing tool for the Prison Arch where the TV series is at now. The cover reminds me a lot of the TV series.

[GenericMartini]

Originally Posted by watertommyz

No, I meant that book is supposed to be the "television" version of Lilly. I only bring this up because it might be a marketing tool for the Prison Arch where the TV series is at now. The cover reminds me a lot of the TV series.

She is rumored to be appearing on the show, so this idea isn't totally off. But it would be really weird to have one book based on the comic's canon and one book based on the TV's canon it's a bit indecisive and weird to just change up the canon your writing for(but so goes the Walking Dead universe I guess). It's up to Kirkman of what ends up being canon to what media, and honestly deciding that this novel is canon for TV Lilly might somewhat fix the situation for the people who indulge themselves on canon.

[watertommyz]

Originally Posted by GenericMartini

She is rumored to be appearing on the show, so this idea isn't totally off. But it would be really weird to have one book based on the comic's canon and one book based on the TV's canon it's a bit indecisive and weird to just change up the canon your writing for(but so goes the Walking Dead universe I guess). It's up to Kirkman of what ends up being canon to what media, and honestly deciding that this novel is canon for TV Lilly might somewhat fix the situation for the people who indulge themselves on canon.

I'm only assuming it, because it seems a perfect way to fix the inconsistency for the game, but we won't know anything for sure until Kirkman gives us answers. I do know that he is well aware of all of his adaptations...he just simply doesn't involve himself with the creative processes.

Either that or the game inspired him to come up with his own background for Lilly. I mean using the name Everett can't be a coincidence, can it?

[trd84]

Originally Posted by watertommyz

I'm only assuming it, because it seems a perfect way to fix the inconsistency for the game, but we won't know anything for sure until Kirkman gives us answers. I do know that he is well aware of all of his adaptations...he just simply doesn't involve himself with the creative processes.

Either that or the game inspired him to come up with his own background for Lilly. I mean using the name Everett can't be a coincidence, can it?

Lily was supposed to be the Lily from the comics and Kirkman ok'd the story. And telltale advertised it and everything. The chapter when Lily leaves was originally called Woodbury Bound but it was changed just before the release of the episode. So Telltale was still under the impression that she was while the game was already released.

[Danno123]

Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.

[Dildor]

Originally Posted by Danno123

Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.

Yeah this is true, but it's pretty obvious it was intended to be the same character. It doesn't bother me too much.

[Danno123]

Originally Posted by Dildor

Yeah this is true, but it's pretty obvious it was intended to be the same character. It doesn't bother me too much.

I haven't actually read the book yet, so I dunno if they even have the same personality. I guess they don't. :3

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Danno123

Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.

That's a shame, I can't stand inconsistent writers.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by SickBoy2212

a book takes time to write and the sypnosis is already done first, which was most likely done before the first episode of the VG was even out yet.

Plus, i'll trust what Kirkman wrote himself more than what's in the VG. it's not Kirkman's problem to adjust to what telltale is doing with the game, after all, he only helped with the story of the game, he didn't write it all himself.

This. I know the game is supposed to be canon, but when there's a conflict I usually stick to anything he put out 1st and everything else as supplemental.

[ZacTB]

Originally Posted by Danno123

Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.

I'm just gonna ignore what Kirkman says about Lilly. He's a decent writer, and the comics are good but he seems like he is so far up his ass.

[Robbingrobin]

I can't bear people who can't understand artists reactions. I am happy that game lilly is not the comic/book-Lily