Robert Kirkman really screwed up Lily in The Road to Woodbury...

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

I can't bear people who can't understand artists reactions. I am happy that game lilly is not the comic/book-Lily

It's unfortunate that he collaborated with Telltale on the matter in the beginning but then threw them under the bus with no hesitation. Well, i suppose money is money.

Both stories are good either way.

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by Mornai

It's unfortunate that he collaborated with Telltale on the matter in the beginning but then threw them under the bus with no hesitation. Well, i suppose money is money.

Both stories are good either way.

You actually liked The Road to Woodbury? Or have you not read it yet? I thought it was complete trash tbh.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by CarScar

You actually liked The Road to Woodbury? Or have you not read it yet? I thought it was complete trash tbh.

I have not read it, i meant both versions of Lilly's story(a part of the comics or a separate character altogether) were acceptable.

[dee23]

I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.

I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by dee23

I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.

I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.

I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they left the prison arc and has not picked up since.

Your opinion is that the argument on the road was forced. My opinion was that it fit her character in the comic to a perfect T, with what little we saw of it. Neither can be right or wrong.

It wouldn't have been too upsetting if Kirkman did not give the go ahead to include such characters in the game to begin with, then change them afterward. A simple "we're writing something new that gives this character this specific back story, so don't make her like this or etc." could have been enough. Imagine if Hershel Greene was portrayed as a 10 year old child, or Glenn was an African American bodybuilder.

I doubt they could have even used these characters without Kirkman's permission at the start.

[mkane24]

Originally Posted by Mornai

I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they left the prison arc and has not picked up since.

common consensus? what is this consensus you speak of? I've read all of the comics and the Negan arc is fair from uninteresting.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by mkane24

common consensus? what is this consensus you speak of? I've read all of the comics and the Negan arc is fair from uninteresting.

I'm not sure, but of the times when I'm perusing general comments about it(various places), i always see people complaining that the quality has faltered since then. I still enjoy them myself, though.

[mkane24]

Well, Kirkman must be doing something right...on 108 with no end in sight...Christ look at TT's the walking dead. that had plenty of problems and people loved it.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by mkane24

Well, Kirkman must be doing something right...on 108 with no end in sight...Christ look at TT's the walking dead. that had plenty of problems and people loved it.

Most of TT's problems were technical, and that kind of thing is probably a rarity for comics.

[Goldrock]

Its kirkmans story and his baby i dont think anyone has the right to say what he did or didnt do right. Go write yer own blasted storys quit bashing on the creative minds behid their storys.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by ZacTB

I really don't understand why Kirkman wouldn't just leave it

Maybe because he want to add her in season two? It's logical.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Goldrock

Its kirkmans story and his baby i dont think anyone has the right to say what he did or didnt do right. Go write yer own blasted storys quit bashing on the creative minds behid their storys.

Nonsense. Everybody has the right - literally. It's actually in the Bill of Rights (hint, it comes before the 2nd Amendment). Beyond that, people buy the stuff - it's not given freely. The customer is always right.

[Viner16]

Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.

One Word: Tigers.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Viner16

Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.

One Word: Tigers.

Well...Tigers DO exist in real life, you know.

[mkane24]

Originally Posted by Viner16

Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.

One Word: Tigers.

so you've suspended belief for 107 issues and believed zombies have infested the earth, but now you have problem with a guy who owns a tiger?

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by Viner16

Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.

One Word: Tigers.

Originally Posted by Mornai

Well...Tigers DO exist in real life, you know.

Originally Posted by mkane24

so you've suspended belief for 107 issues and believed zombies have infested the earth, but now you have problem with a guy who owns a tiger?

Well that and the fact that the survivors are acting like medieval knights from my understanding. I really want to know the backstory there.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

Well that and the fact that the survivors are acting like medieval knights from my understanding. I really want to know the backstory there.

Maybe they just really loved medieval stuff, and secretly always wanted to have a monarchy of their own. Now that the zombie apocalypse has happened, no one can stop them from doing just that.

A full suit of medieval armor would actually be pretty cool to see in a zombie attack. No teeth are getting through that, so no worry about bites... but they could also just pile on top of you and you'd be stuck, so maybe it's not the best idea...

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dee23

I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.

I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.

i think Kenny and Lilly argued so much because they were similar and they could both argue forever if they wanted to, i think they even had a sort of mutual respect by the time she killed Doug/Carley (they still hated each other but a bit of respect for each other as well) because they both new that each other were trying to protect the group in their own way they just disagreed on how, whereas in the Doug/Carly situation Lilly suspected someone was actively trying to hurt the group and that sent her over the edge.

[Rizefall]

Originally Posted by LadyJ

I read it and it was enjoyable. Seems to tie the book to the comic. At least it explains some of the things. Actually, it could go both ways. There are some things in the book that affect the characters in the game as well. Lily is obviously different but overall I think it does a good job of maintaining the universe. That's actually pretty hard to do.

Lilly from the game is not the Lilly in the book. Two different people.

[Viner16]

Not hating on the idea of Tigers, I like it myself...

But the fanbase for the comics on the comic forums are split between "WTF is this shit Tigers in an apocalypse!!" and "Tigers=Ultimate Badassery."