The Case Against Kenny

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

That'd be fine except for one thing.

He tells you to go check on Danny and that he'll help if you run into trouble. He blatantly lies to your face and then leaves you to die.

It isn't a lie if you help Larry. He probably really DID intent to help you. I've seen the scene both ways, and when he leaves you, it looks like it's because he's afraid. He even comes out of the stall with the "I'm sorry, I fucked up" look on his face, rather than the "you handled yourself, didn't you?" kind of "fuck off" look he gives you if he leaves you under the door. Still, that puts him pretty much on the same boat as Ben because he lets his cowardice get the best of him if you try to save Larry.

[Ninnuendo]

Originally Posted by Rock114

It isn't a lie if you help Larry. He probably really DID intent to help you.

Oh well if he intended to help me then it's ok then. He can just apologise to the hole in my head caused by Danny and Charlotte.

[Catburn]

there's no way you can judge Kenny because he is a fictitious character. All of his faults and actions are made by a team of programmers and developers. Just sayin'


I personally like Kenny, either way, I see why he did some of the things and the rest? It's called he panicked, don't tell me you haven't made some bad decisions when you were in a hurry or scared.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

Oh well if he intended to help me then it's ok then. He can just apologise to the hole in my head caused by Danny and Charlotte.

I guess it's just because I count the reasons why people do stuff as really important. Everythign else he does, if you don't have his back, do make him a total asshole. Leaves you to die once with intent. Hates you for not agreeing with him. Wants to let Ben die in a fit of rage for his family (understandable in my mind, but still very wrong). Is willing to let Clem die based on his opinion of Lee. THAT would make me hate him if all that had happened to me on my first playthrough. Instead I got the bro-Kenny, so maybe I'm a bit biased because on the initial run of each episode he's always been cool to me and Clem.

And I'm sure he WOULD apologize afterward, just in time for Danny to swing around and shoot him

[funyahns]

I have not always agreed with Kenny, and in some instanced been against him. He is still coming to help with Clem, but he is a grade A ass. My Lee had to practically beg him to help an 8 year old.

I am hearing a lot about well he couldn't be sure the farm was not surrounded. Well that is making an excuse for a cowardly act. He did not rationalize that he was going to protect his family therefore backing away to check for more Walkers or his wife. No, he let his fear take control of him and he ran away. That is pretty much the definition of coward. You can say it was a mistake but don't pretend it was the act of a man using courage to fight through his fear.

Kenny holds grudges over everything. I don't agree with my friends on everything. We have had heated disagreements before. But never would that stop us for looking out for each other in the face of another threat.

[NicoleRaye]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe

Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"

Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him

Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die

Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.

Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door

Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck

Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem

Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat

Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road

Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.

Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die

Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem

He stands accused of hypocrisy, selfishness, racism, murder, alcoholism, cowardice, carelessness, trouble making, disloyalty and of being judgemental and uncaring.
Kenny defenders, make your case for the accused because I'd gladly use him as a zombie bait given his charge sheet.

I don't know what you're talking about, but Kenny always helped me. You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.

[Ninnuendo]

Originally Posted by NicoleRaye

You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.

Go read back over this thread, the guy should be kissing my feet for all I've done for him.

[Moonbaby]

Originally Posted by NicoleRaye

I don't know what you're talking about, but Kenny always helped me. You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.

Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.

Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.

Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.

Kenny is a liability, not an asset.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by Moonbaby

Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.

Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.

Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.

Kenny is a liability, not an asset.

Well firstly Lee would be dead without Kenny. You could have been a complete douche to Kenny from the start and have not helped his son and he still would first give you a lift to Macon and then save youre life. So much for not having a code of ethics. Besides if Kenny was truly a cold hearted bastard, he would have shot and killed Ben by now.

And despite all the things you did before, you still made the stupid choice in the meatlocker. "Hey Kenny, I know I risked you and you're family's lives to save some old asshole who already left me for dead and who may already BE dead. I also know that you're family could have been eaten alive. I know i basically forced you into taking the initiative alone and smashing Larry's head in, something which will traumatise you forever. I know that will make you feel guilty as hell and Larry's face will probably haunt you for the rest of your life and you have no one to reassure you that you did the right thing. But jeez man, why dont you like me?"

And i dont follow Kenny blindly, he just happens to be right all the time which is pretty lucky, in fact the only thing i disagreed on was over Ben. I saved the guy responsible for his sons death and he still helped me. He is one of my greatest assets right now.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Moonbaby

Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.

Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.

Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.

Kenny is a liability, not an asset.

Save Shawn at the farm and side with Larry at the drugstore and guess what? Kenny comes back for you and saves your life even then. Plus, when the walkers began to overrun the drugstore he was the only one who took charge and got nearly everyone out of there alive. If Christa and Omid stay behind at the end of Episode 4, he'll give them and Ben (if he stayed as well) the boat he's wanted to get since Episode 2. The boat that was supposed to be for his family. The boat that they died, and he nearly died, trying to get to. He even says for them to take it and leave town if he and Lee aren't back by a certain time.

Killing Larry was horrrific. He didn't wake up that day and decide "I'm gonna smash the old fart's head in". The dude thought he was going to turn into a walker and kill everyone in the meat locker. Which results in the rest of the group dying horribly as well. While it will never be certain, there's a good chance that Kenny saved the entire group by dropping that salt lick. He'll also probably be seeing Larry's face, like Shawn's for the rest of his life.

Kenny, believe it or not, says some smart things. Taking the food? A no-brainer. Leaving the girl in the street? She was bitten and the group needed supplies. The reason he's a bit of an ass right now is because his entire family died in front of him about 1 day before Episode 4 started. Not only does he blame himself for their deaths, he also admits he feels terrible about Shawn too. The guy has 3 deaths weighing down on him, two of which are his wife and child.

[Moonbaby]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

Well firstly Lee would be dead without Kenny. You could have been a complete douche to Kenny from the start and have not helped his son and he still would first give you a lift to Macon and then save youre life. So much for not having a code of ethics. Besides if Kenny was truly a cold hearted bastard, he would have shot and killed Ben by now.

And despite all the things you did before, you still made the stupid choice in the meatlocker. "Hey Kenny, I know I risked you and you're family's lives to save some old asshole who already left me for dead and who may already BE dead. I also know that you're family could have been eaten alive. I know i basically forced you into taking the initiative alone and smashing Larry's head in, something which will traumatise you forever. I know that will make you feel guilty as hell and Larry's face will probably haunt you for the rest of your life and you have no one to reassure you that you did the right thing. But jeez man, why dont you like me?"

And i dont follow Kenny blindly, he just happens to be right all the time which is pretty lucky, in fact the only thing i disagreed on was over Ben. I saved the guy responsible for his sons death and he still helped me. He is one of my greatest assets right now.

Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!

You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.

Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.

Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.

Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!

Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.

Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Moonbaby

Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!

You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.

Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.

Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.

Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!

Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.

Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.

how can you say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that but the bad things are because he is a bad character, so do you think lilly didn't do anything wrong when she killed Carley/Doug because the game made her do it?

seriously being locked in a small room with a zombie infected man that collapsed because of a massive heart attack that wasn't breathing and had no pulse is different to life support, larry was dead with no medical expertise or equipment, sure kenny could have waited a few minutes until he turned into a zombie but lilly could have been doing mouth to mouth at that point and larry would have killed her i am pretty sure larry and lilly wouldn't have wanted that

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by Moonbaby

Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!

You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.

Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.

Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.

Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!

Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.

Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.

Saying a character did that because "thats how TT designed the game" isnt really a great argument. I could say that you can lose Kenny's loyalty and have him not help Clem because thats how the game was designed and doesnt reflect on his character at all. Is it Using some game evidence and then disregarding another piece because its how the game was designed just seems stupid.

And they could hardly wait until Larry was up and biting people before doing anything. The guy was freaking huge and the only safe and sensible time to kill Larry was before he reaminated. The guy was a freaking time bomb and if he died immediatly after the heart attack, then he was probably seconds from reaminating. It was a last resort. And i hope that never happens aswell, but I dont have any family members Larry sized. And i probably wouldnt be locked in a small room with my dieing family member anyway.

He destroyed one, ruined another and possibly saved the lives of literally everyone in the group. If Larry turned, four people probably die in the meat locker, two more are kept captive and possibly eaten and another two are approaching and have no freaking clue whats going on.

My Kenny helped me fight Danny, so i dont know what youre talking about :P
I wouldnt really blame him if he didnt, the guy had a gun and Kenny did not. And you had just made him do something which will haunt him for the rest of his life.

Andy was holding Duck hostage and Kenny was freaking the hell out. He was desperate to free Duck ASAP and thought he could rush Andy in time. I dont blame him, i could hardly imagine what its like, seeing you're son held at gunpoint by a sick twisted cannibal.

Kenny hasnt really done anything that makes me think he is stupid. When his family is not at risk, he thinks things through, like the girl situation and with the food, and makes the right call. When his family is threatened or have been recently killed, then he is less likely and i understand that totally.

[SevenExxes]

All Kenny wanted to do was keep his family safe. Now they're gone.
And I made him shoot his own son who was going zombie. Shit! What was I thinking?! WHY? WHY DID I DO THAAAAT?!

[Ninnuendo]

"What have you done for me lately?"

That sums Kenny up. He accepts that you've helped him, but if you've gone against him then that is the deciding factor in him fucking you over. A guy that you could side with for months, but will turn on you regardless the moment you don't.
Selfish, disloyal, fickle, Kenny is the biggest threat to your group. That's why when I accidentally ended up with him in my group (thanks for the game-wiping bug Telltale), I stopped the game, replayed the scene and told him to fuck off. I don't want him, he causes nothing but trouble.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

"What have you done for me lately?"

That sums Kenny up. He accepts that you've helped him, but if you've gone against him then that is the deciding factor in him fucking you over. A guy that you could side with for months, but will turn on you regardless the moment you don't.
Selfish, disloyal, fickle, Kenny is the biggest threat to your group. That's why when I accidentally ended up with him in my group (thanks for the game-wiping bug Telltale), I stopped the game, replayed the scene and told him to fuck off. I don't want him, he causes nothing but trouble.

Um do you mean when Kenny says "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" about Molly? Because ive seen some pretty anti-Kenny playthroughs and i dont remember hearing that. And i was pretty sure that was dark humour. Huge difference between saying something like that and actually doing it. Not to mention she was really aggressive (and annoying) and was going to leave us to die before Clem made puppy eyes.

And you dont have to be on Kenny's side for everything, most people lose his loyalty because of the Larry decision, which makes sense. My Kenny was loyal, selfless and predictable. And are you calling him selfish because he didnt fight Andy who had a gun and he didnt or because he didnt throw himself into danger to rescue you. After what you did to him, i dont blame you. And good job. You didnt even try to recruit another ally for rescuing Clem because you just dont like him.

[multicolt]

ahem right at the end kenny starts the boat. suddenly the boat explodes because of a gas leak making telltale the biggest trolls on the planet. come on you all secretly know this is going to happen. its in the back of your head whispering "hes going to die you know.". not to mention all the foreshadowing of his death. death is walking right beside kenny everywhere he goes. shawn,larry,his son,his wife, maybe carly... some random zombie child, the fat chick, ben, and you getting scratched. i so see him dieing.

[Ninnuendo]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

Um do you mean when Kenny says "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" about Molly? Because ive seen some pretty anti-Kenny playthroughs and i dont remember hearing that.

It's basically what he says at the end of Ep4.

Originally Posted by Wrighty

And good job. You didnt even try to recruit another ally for rescuing Clem because you just dont like him.

I didn't bring him because I'm quite certain that he'd take care of himself at the first sign of trouble.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

It's basically what he says at the end of Ep4.



I didn't bring him because I'm quite certain that he'd take care of himself at the first sign of trouble.

I think with all the crap that's happened to Kenny recently it's quite easy to forget the stuff you did from early episodes like Duck and the tractor and having his back at the pharmacy. Your Kenny is tortured with guilt. He feels bad for Shawn, and even worse Larry. With Larry, you basically made him smash his head in and so his guilt constantly reminds him of Larry and he blames you for it. Anyway he might have acknowledged you helping Kat and Duck if you hadn't told him to just go fuck himself.

If he went with you, he abandons the boat which the guy has probably been dreaming about to go help you find Clem. It would be stupid to think he's just going to run off at the first sign of trouble.

[Moonbaby]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

how can you say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that but the bad things are because he is a bad character, so do you think lilly didn't do anything wrong when she killed Carley/Doug because the game made her do it?

seriously being locked in a small room with a zombie infected man that collapsed because of a massive heart attack that wasn't breathing and had no pulse is different to life support, larry was dead with no medical expertise or equipment, sure kenny could have waited a few minutes until he turned into a zombie but lilly could have been doing mouth to mouth at that point and larry would have killed her i am pretty sure larry and lilly wouldn't have wanted that

Where did I say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that? You're making stuff up. Answer the question....Does your interaction with Kenny change whether he takes you in the RV or not?

As far as the life support comment...you're just not getting it so here it layed out for you. Who are you to decide when the point of no return is?

So, once he passes out and isnt breathing, you somehow know through your medical expertise that he is dead and gone with no hope of revival. Riiiight. Say Hello to Herschel Greene for me!