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Old 11/06/2012, 09:18 pm   #1
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Default How come some of us said that we would kill Ben

But when we finally got the chance to do so, some of us couldn't. lol
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Old 11/06/2012, 09:32 pm   #2
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because e realized at that point, who is ben? just a miserable pile of secrets! *throws glass of wine*
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Old 11/07/2012, 01:56 am   #3
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Because people saw some kind of redemption by him wanting to get dropped. Also the pressure of actually having to drop him vs just leaving him to walkers got to people. Their morals took over and they couldn't bring themselves to do it.

Not me though, I'm a heartless bastard
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Old 11/07/2012, 02:57 am   #4
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Because, people thought he'd really redeem himself this time.

And, even though I dropped him, I'm sure he'd try, but I've no reason to believe that his big attempt at redemption won't screw over the group again. Ben's problem is that he acts without thinking at all, taking hatchets from the only door keeping the walkers away from you is his genuine attempt at helping, as long as he has that flaw he'll be a danger no matter how much he tries to help.
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Old 11/07/2012, 03:27 am   #5
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Yeah: same with Larry.
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Old 11/07/2012, 05:13 am   #6
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I think Clem played a role in that decision too, a lot of people are carrying a lot about her (maybe too much in my opinion) and she is on Ben's side so I suppose they couldn't let Ben die because of this.
There's people that didn't take part of the "killing Ben" and maybe didn't dislike him even if he caused lot of problems.
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Old 11/07/2012, 05:42 am   #7
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That's weird, I never felt much of a need to kill Ben, but when it came to it, I did.
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Old 11/07/2012, 05:54 am   #8
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because e realized at that point, who is ben? just a miserable pile of secrets! *throws glass of wine*
ever played castlevania symphony of the night?

"what is a man?, just a miserable pile of secrets!" dracula said that
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Old 11/07/2012, 07:16 am   #9
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cos people wimp out when they have to do it...

it suddenly hits them they have to choose, unlike any other media that deals with death, a game is something you control.

so it then becomes a moral decision.
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Old 11/07/2012, 07:24 am   #10
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I made the decision to protect Clem. I never told her Id do it her way. She can think Im wrong and even hate me, but if shes safe, them my mission is complete.
Bearing in mind that no matter what I do , she goes missing either way
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Old 11/08/2012, 06:21 am   #11
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Because he... ah hell there are tons of threads on this.

People can change their minds, ya know.
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Old 11/08/2012, 08:31 am   #12
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As much as I hate him and his useless ass, I can sympathise because he's only a kid and I think he's one of the more realistic characters. How many of us are equipped to dealing with a zombie apocalypse if such a thing was to happen? Not many, I don't think. Most of us would screw up somewhere, one way or another. He's just a mega clutz and a bit of a moron, but his heart is in the right place. That's all that matters to me.

When it came to the decision, it was not a tough one. I'm willing to give him another chance.. and hell, nobody deserves a death like that. Well, maybe the St. John family.
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Old 11/08/2012, 08:53 am   #13
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"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
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Old 11/08/2012, 12:43 pm   #14
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I was exactly like that. I hated Ben with a passion. Infact I was hoping nobody else would get to rob me of the chance to kill him myself.

When it finally came down to it I once again failed to fight my own morals of trying to help everyone with a lick of a chance. I think it made it even harder because he was actually asking for death. Whatever his final wish was, I wasn't going to honor it.
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Old 11/08/2012, 01:19 pm   #15
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I failed to follow my own morals of trying to help everyone. Helped kill Larry because he never could have been saved in my mind, and it still hurt. My Lee puts the survival of Clementine, followed by the group as a whole, more than any single life. I saw Ben the same way I saw Larry. He couldn't be saved, and trying to save him would immediately put more lives in peril. It's hard being the "needs of the many" kind of Lee that I see mine as. In Episode 1 I was all "nobody else dies!" and all that, and even in 2 my first instinct was "help the stupid kids and the guy in the bear-trap even though the walkers are here". Man, how my Lee has changed since then.
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Old 11/09/2012, 02:12 pm   #16
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Reflecting on things.... I think Ben was saved (in my game) the moment Clem said that he was her friend.
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Old 11/10/2012, 01:38 pm   #17
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Yeah, Same happened to me...
I didn't want to drop him because That wouldn't be a proper death! He should be eaten alive by walkers.
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Old 11/10/2012, 04:59 pm   #18
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Haha! Well, I hated him most of the game, too, and I was certainly mean to him when given dialogue choices. But I play the game in a "what would I do" sort of way and quite honestly, I don't think I could just drop him, stupid or not. I'm glad I didn't drop him, though. One less hand to help if I did. Hopefully I don't regret it in Episode 5...

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Old 11/14/2012, 08:07 pm   #19
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I never had the intention of killing Ben. These are my reasons why:

- Ben never did anything to intentionally cause harm to the group. Most of his ideas... albiet bad, he thought he was helping the group. He should have consulted people before doing things.

- He is young. He already lost all his classmates. No telling about his family.

- Even though he made a bunch of bad decisions. That doesn't mean he is completely useless. Everyone deserves a chance of redemption. (Well some, depending on the circumstances.)

- He had some information that enlightened the group about how the zombies come back to life. He mentioned no matter how you die, bitten or not. You will still come back. Which was unaware to everyone at the time.

- Clementine liked him. And most of MY decisions revolved around how she felt. Some times it may not have been wise. But I did promise to help find her parents.

- Ben isn't hostile and unfriendly like some of the past members of the team. I'd rather have him than Larry around.

- We already lost 6 people (Carley, Katjaa, Duck, Chuck, Brie and Lily) Even though we just recently met Chuck and Brie, its still a loss. What would be the point of killing someone else?

- Lastly he looked absolutely pitiful and remorseful whenever he did something wrong. Especially when he was begging to be dropped. I just feel he has yet to prove his worth. I have a feeling he will!

Those are my reasons. You can agree to them or not. But I'm not heartless enough to drop someone especially after hearing them beg to be dropped.
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Old 11/15/2012, 04:24 am   #20
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Ben is the very definition of a Jonah - but I couldn't drop him and so, I have cursed my game and doomed my entire group to a depressing and gruesome fate.
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