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Joshua1991 · 11/23/2012, 07:51 am

Thieves or Bad Guys in the finale. I get it they stole Kenny's last hope he had, but Vernon and his friends are good people just trying to survive in a ZA. Christa was right, they would have done the same thing. Imo I find it karma for Kenny wanting to steal from the Campman's family car in Ep 2

dukeleto · 11/23/2012, 08:01 am

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Originally Posted by Joshua1991

Thieves or Bad Guys in the finale. I get it they stole Kenny's last hope he had, but Vernon and his friends are good people just trying to survive in a ZA. Christa was right, they would have done the same thing. Imo I find it karma for Kenny wanting to steal from the Campman's family car in Ep 2

I'm not supporting Kenny and I agree with karma thing.

About your question, I think there is a major difference between both situations.
All two of them are stealing.
But the second one is something like your neighbour robbed your own house.
I mean, they show Vernon their boat themselves, and they trust him to get away with this info.

In the end, I'm in complete aggreement with Christa. This is ZA, and no one is clean enough (except LeeME :P).

Rock114 · 11/23/2012, 08:10 am

The karma angle is pretty good. Kenny (and possibly Lee) stole food from Campman's station wagon in order to survive, which ended up screwing Campman and his family over. Then the exact same thing happens when Vernon's group steals the boat from Lee an co. I think they put that in there to make the player feel like Campman must have felt when he discovered the supplies were gone, and generate a little bit more empathy toward him once you finally encountered him. That said, I still hate Vernon. Without our group he wouldn't have gotten his precious medicine, although I didn't really care because Lee was dying and I figured "Let everyone deal with it after I'm dead".

trd84 · 11/23/2012, 08:18 am

Two different situations. We take food from an abandoned car with door open and no gas and no sign of the owner.

And the other guy pretends to be a friend and gives you no heads up that the city is about to overrun with walkers. Then steals your boat.

Kiel555 · 11/23/2012, 09:05 am

The car appeared abandoned and Kenny made a mistake by stealing from the car even after Lilly, Clem and Lee told him no way.

The boat gave no appearance of being abandoned except when WE found it. Vernon knew it belonged to us, that we planned to use the boat and had to kick Kenny's ass to take it by force.

These are two different situations as trd84 pointed out. I still think it was out of character for Vernon and his cancer group to do such a thing and they fucked us. However, I also realize that we are the ones who brought a massive herd of walkers to their little paradise so maybe it's all even up...I don't know.

Pickles312 · 11/23/2012, 09:51 am

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Originally Posted by Kiel555

The car appeared abandoned and Kenny made a mistake by stealing from the car even after Lilly, Clem and Lee told him no way.

The boat gave no appearance of being abandoned except when WE found it. Vernon knew it belonged to us, that we planned to use the boat and had to kick Kenny's ass to take it by force.

These are two different situations as trd84 pointed out. I still think it was out of character for Vernon and his cancer group to do such a thing and they fucked us. However, I also realize that we are the ones who brought a massive herd of walkers to their little paradise so maybe it's all even up...I don't know.

Lilly took stuff too you know.

The situations are different. I understand Campman wanted to find his kid so he was in a hurry, but come on! Door open, lights on. Too bad for him. Vernon knew you had it, dissed your plan for it and then took it. A dirtbag at work.

aperose · 11/27/2012, 08:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Kiel555

The car appeared abandoned and Kenny made a mistake by stealing from the car even after Lilly, Clem and Lee told him no way.

The boat gave no appearance of being abandoned except when WE found it. Vernon knew it belonged to us, that we planned to use the boat and had to kick Kenny's ass to take it by force.

These are two different situations as trd84 pointed out. I still think it was out of character for Vernon and his cancer group to do such a thing and they fucked us. However, I also realize that we are the ones who brought a massive herd of walkers to their little paradise so maybe it's all even up...I don't know.

I totally agree. I believed that the boat was stolen because no one in my group stayed behind (Ben = dead) but I was kind of shocked to find out that Vernon takes the boat in EVERY situation. Not only is it implausible, I do think it's wrong. Taking from that car was not wrong though - the lights were on, the door open, THE KEYS IN THE CAR! This isn't day 2 of the apocalypse either, it's three months in. The stranger KNEW there were other people around too and was very naive. Taking from a guarded boat is completely different.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 08:12 pm

Actually the boat is worse since Vernon helped "us" fix it so "we" could get away.

That's not just theft it's betrayal.

Iyrsiiea · 11/27/2012, 08:50 pm

When I found out the cancer survivors took the boat I was momentarily upset, then greatly amused.

From what I saw in ep 4, their group is a lot larger than five people, even without Brie. Joke's on them.

Besides, I never really had any faith in the boat plan.

AnnaSan · 11/27/2012, 09:01 pm

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I totally agree. I believed that the boat was stolen because no one in my group stayed behind (Ben = dead) but I was kind of shocked to find out that Vernon takes the boat in EVERY situation. Not only is it implausible, I do think it's wrong. Taking from that car was not wrong though - the lights were on, the door open, THE KEYS IN THE CAR! This isn't day 2 of the apocalypse either, it's three months in. The stranger KNEW there were other people around too and was very naive. Taking from a guarded boat is completely different.

^This. It's a ZA, everyone's focusing on surviving. If they see an unguarded van fill with food and supplies, of course they would automatically think that the owner didnt make it. So I think it was stupid of the stranger to leave it like that and just blame everything in our group.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 09:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Iyrsiiea

When I found out the cancer survivors took the boat I was momentarily upset, then greatly amused.

From what I saw in ep 4, their group is a lot larger than five people, even without Brie. Joke's on them.

Besides, I never really had any faith in the boat plan.

Seeing as the boat holds probably 4 at most.... you do make an excellent point.

BlackPaladin · 11/27/2012, 09:21 pm

You'd be surprised how many people you can fit in a boat/car when you really need to. When I was younger my aunt's cousins would pile 9 people in a regular car. The 5 people thing is bs. It's more that you can only fit 5 people + supplies comfortably as in, able to sleep in said boat and everything. You can still fit more than that in the boat, and just need to find somewhere to dock and sleep for the night.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 09:32 pm

Easier said than done, in Zombieland.

Mornai · 11/28/2012, 06:28 am

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You'd be surprised how many people you can fit in a boat/car when you really need to. When I was younger my aunt's cousins would pile 9 people in a regular car. The 5 people thing is bs. It's more that you can only fit 5 people + supplies comfortably as in, able to sleep in said boat and everything. You can still fit more than that in the boat, and just need to find somewhere to dock and sleep for the night.

With the amount of supplies Vernon's group had at the fallout shelter, they could probably fill the entire boat to the brim with just food, and they're going to need at least a decent amount of it.

Sox&Rocks22 · 11/28/2012, 08:37 am

Kenny and the group put their asses on the line to prep that boat, only to have Vernon and his gang swoop in and take it right out from under them, presumably at gunpoint or under the threat of some form of violence. I dont think anyone would be understanding in that situation.

Zarron · 11/28/2012, 08:50 am

This does make me wonder: Why did Vernon even leave a note?

Mornai · 11/28/2012, 08:55 am

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This does make me wonder: Why did Vernon even leave a note?

He either feels bad about stealing it but sees it as a necessity(honest) and wants the group to at least know what's transpired, or he's angry and wants to rub it in your face that he took it from you(threatened him).

Those are my guesses, at least. Vernon and his rag tag group of survivors clearly wouldn't last long in Savannah without that underground bunker, so i suppose he saw the boat as his only choice for survival.

It's not like they could be caught easily, since that was probably the only functional boat in existence in the city.

JakeSt123 · 11/28/2012, 09:28 am

I hope there's a hurricane out at sea.

plaqueconspiracy · 11/28/2012, 03:43 pm

The way I see it, if you're going to steal a boat from somebody in the zombie-ridden post-apocalyptic Savannah... The people you stole the boat from are pretty destined to die. They knew this. They "knew" they were going to die. The group was already weak AND had a little girl to take care of. The theft lead to the whole group's death for all they know.

They were a bunch of dickheads and like I said before, I hope they end up REALLY, REALLY regretful as long as they can survive on the sea before they run out of supplies.

But then again... Did I take the supplies in the station wagon? Why, yes I did. But at that time we didn't even know if who the owner of it is or if he/she was even alive. Vernon knew the whole group and cared about Clementine. He still took it. Suck my dick, Vernon.

Zeruis · 11/28/2012, 03:45 pm

Yeah, Vernon's a thief and he betrayed Lee's group. His taking of the boat ruined what little hope Kenny had.

11/23/2012, 07:51 am	#1
Joshua1991 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 107	I don't get why Kenny is calling Vernon and his friends Thieves or Bad Guys in the finale. I get it they stole Kenny's last hope he had, but Vernon and his friends are good people just trying to survive in a ZA. Christa was right, they would have done the same thing. Imo I find it karma for Kenny wanting to steal from the Campman's family car in Ep 2

11/23/2012, 09:05 am	#5
Kiel555 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Bay area, California Posts: 574	The car appeared abandoned and Kenny made a mistake by stealing from the car even after Lilly, Clem and Lee told him no way. The boat gave no appearance of being abandoned except when WE found it. Vernon knew it belonged to us, that we planned to use the boat and had to kick Kenny's ass to take it by force. These are two different situations as trd84 pointed out. I still think it was out of character for Vernon and his cancer group to do such a thing and they fucked us. However, I also realize that we are the ones who brought a massive herd of walkers to their little paradise so maybe it's all even up...I don't know. Last edited by Kiel555; 11/23/2012 at 09:09 am.

11/27/2012, 08:12 pm	#8
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,089	Actually the boat is worse since Vernon helped "us" fix it so "we" could get away. That's not just theft it's betrayal. __________________ WITCH! Oh sorry, got confused by all your crying. ~ Francis

11/27/2012, 09:32 pm	#13
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,089	Easier said than done, in Zombieland. __________________ WITCH! Oh sorry, got confused by all your crying. ~ Francis

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11/23/2012, 08:10 am	#3
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	The karma angle is pretty good. Kenny (and possibly Lee) stole food from Campman's station wagon in order to survive, which ended up screwing Campman and his family over. Then the exact same thing happens when Vernon's group steals the boat from Lee an co. I think they put that in there to make the player feel like Campman must have felt when he discovered the supplies were gone, and generate a little bit more empathy toward him once you finally encountered him. That said, I still hate Vernon. Without our group he wouldn't have gotten his precious medicine, although I didn't really care because Lee was dying and I figured "Let everyone deal with it after I'm dead".

11/23/2012, 08:18 am	#4
trd84 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 368	Two different situations. We take food from an abandoned car with door open and no gas and no sign of the owner. And the other guy pretends to be a friend and gives you no heads up that the city is about to overrun with walkers. Then steals your boat.

11/27/2012, 08:50 pm	#9
Iyrsiiea Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: North of somewhere Posts: 19	When I found out the cancer survivors took the boat I was momentarily upset, then greatly amused. From what I saw in ep 4, their group is a lot larger than five people, even without Brie. Joke's on them. Besides, I never really had any faith in the boat plan.

11/27/2012, 09:21 pm	#12
BlackPaladin Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 112	You'd be surprised how many people you can fit in a boat/car when you really need to. When I was younger my aunt's cousins would pile 9 people in a regular car. The 5 people thing is bs. It's more that you can only fit 5 people + supplies comfortably as in, able to sleep in said boat and everything. You can still fit more than that in the boat, and just need to find somewhere to dock and sleep for the night.

11/28/2012, 08:37 am	#15
Sox&Rocks22 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Your Fridge Posts: 121	Kenny and the group put their asses on the line to prep that boat, only to have Vernon and his gang swoop in and take it right out from under them, presumably at gunpoint or under the threat of some form of violence. I dont think anyone would be understanding in that situation.

11/28/2012, 08:50 am	#16
Zarron Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 26	This does make me wonder: Why did Vernon even leave a note?

11/28/2012, 09:28 am	#18
JakeSt123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 142	I hope there's a hurricane out at sea.

11/28/2012, 03:43 pm	#19
plaqueconspiracy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 277	The way I see it, if you're going to steal a boat from somebody in the zombie-ridden post-apocalyptic Savannah... The people you stole the boat from are pretty destined to die. They knew this. They "knew" they were going to die. The group was already weak AND had a little girl to take care of. The theft lead to the whole group's death for all they know. They were a bunch of dickheads and like I said before, I hope they end up REALLY, REALLY regretful as long as they can survive on the sea before they run out of supplies. But then again... Did I take the supplies in the station wagon? Why, yes I did. But at that time we didn't even know if who the owner of it is or if he/she was even alive. Vernon knew the whole group and cared about Clementine. He still took it. Suck my dick, Vernon.

11/28/2012, 03:45 pm	#20
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,942	Yeah, Vernon's a thief and he betrayed Lee's group. His taking of the boat ruined what little hope Kenny had.