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FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 01:52 pm

"We're gonna find clementime, with or without you, Lee"

*later*

"Oh, nope. Just gonna kill myself, not like I care about what happens to clementime or If Lee doesn't make it"

Really? He could have just shot Ben then go with Lee, wouldn't take long, sure the walkers would go to them, but they can't climb ladders, and they would be long gone before they could even get up.

I know Kenny doesn't got a family left, and the boat is gone, but he cared for Lee and Clementime, and I doubt he'd just forget that and die for nothing.

Why did you think he did it? Was it a legit reason? Do you think the his death was a good death or just a "Let's just get this character over with" death.

izzywozzy · 11/23/2012, 01:54 pm

I think it was the lack of boats that drove him insane.

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 01:57 pm

Don't think so, you can agree with him that after you get Clem, you will search for more boats, he will like the idea and agree.

Besides, he wanted Clem to survive, and wanted to get her back, he wouldn't just give that up and choose to die.

DreadMagus · 11/23/2012, 01:58 pm

I think he gave up and found the right moment to "help" while "opting out".

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 02:02 pm

He didn't help anyone besides Ben by shooting him, Kenny knew Lee wouldn't probaly make it, so he would have followed Lee up again. But, TTG does decide what happens, just seems pretty stupid to die for nothing, I think he got a non good thought up death.

booki94 · 11/23/2012, 02:05 pm

he wanted to die in that moment... family's gone, boat's gone. he always talked about taking his family on a boat to safety. he lost his family in ep 3 so the only thing he had left was the boat. then vernon took the boat and suddenly he felt depressed, angry and desperate and chose to commit suicide, he had nothing left (thats what i think because u also got a dialog says "Suicide" or something)

Pride · 11/23/2012, 02:05 pm

If you mention Katjaa when he's about to sacrifice himself, he says something about wanting to meet her and Duck again. So yeah, he'd given up, and I guess he wanted to be there with Ben so he wouldn't have to go through his worst nightmare alone.
Honestly, I don't think he could have walked out of there sane after leaving Ben there to die. Not after finally symphatizing with the kid. His conscience would eat him up, he's that kind of guy.
"There's no way in this world God would have let me keep my child when I helped kill another's"

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 02:07 pm

Doubt Kenny would just sucicide because of Katjaa and Duck, also the boat.

He even said "You don't just end it cause it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about." —Kenny talking to the group about suicide

Aka, helping Lee finding Clem.

kirby18 · 11/23/2012, 02:07 pm

Kenny is not insane. He realized that this entire time he has only been concerned with him and his families well-being, for each case you can argue he realized it was his time to go while saving someone and therefore redeeming himself.

Christa: he knew as evidence by his expression in the attic when she drank the bottle that she was pregnant.

Ben: he never looked from his perspective and realized he was wrong.

plaqueconspiracy · 11/23/2012, 02:09 pm

I feel like it was a stupid and selfish move. If he died (which is highly probable), it was an easy way out. I can't imagine him caring so much for Ben when all he has been thinking about is his own family's, Clementine's and his own survival all this time. Ben lost his family just like anyone else... That sounds really cold but, yeah... Maybe the couple who shot themselves triggered his thoughts.

I think he did it for himself. He didn't want to any more.

BUT, something tells me that it has to do with what I've been saying countless times... Some scenes must've been cut out from the final product. Something else must've lead up to Kenny's total breakdown.

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 02:12 pm

Kenny got angerd that the couple suicided, he said, well I posted it above. I don't think he'd just change his mind cause Ben died. He said you don't suicide cause it's hard, you stick it out and help others, but he didn't, he almost stopped caring about the Clem moment after Ben.

Pride · 11/23/2012, 02:18 pm

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Originally Posted by FistoTheSexbot

Doubt Kenny would just sucicide because of Katjaa and Duck, also the boat.

He even said "You don't just end it cause it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about." —Kenny talking to the group about suicide

Aka, helping Lee finding Clem.

I honestly think he couldn't live with himself anymore if he'd let another person die because of him [or that at least he thinks was because of him]. He's touchy about that stuff. You saw that at the train when he thought Duck getting bitten was some sort of punishment from God for him not helping Hershell's kid.

He was wishing Ben was dead and when the kid put things into perspective-he realized just how wrong and selfish he had been. He really started relating to the kid, and if he somehow were to die, I'm sure he would blame himself for wishing Ben was dead all along. Proof of that is as soon as Ben falls, he says "Me and my fuckin' mouth". He blames himself.
There's no way Kenny would be able to live with himself if he let Ben die there alone. That's just how he is and there's only so much one can take.

Really, I think you'd only understand why he did if you'd been his friend all along and got to really know him and how he works during the game. Kenny haters would never understand

Zeruis · 11/23/2012, 02:22 pm

He lost the boat, which was his only hope. It's heroic for him to die while saving someone else.

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 02:23 pm

He could have put Clem's, christa's and Omid's life on danger if he killed himself with Ben. I really loved Kenny as a character, and I wouldn't be so angerd over it if he died helping Lee getting Clem atleast, Ben and Kenny died for nothing, although it does teaches you alittle bit that you should think before you wish for someone to die.

Destmond · 11/23/2012, 02:24 pm

I don't think he was <trying> to die, because he could have just stood there and let the walkers eat him if he were really that far gone.
If you pay close attention to his dialogue leading up to that point, mainly in the attic, and especially the room with the dead couple, he seems to come to terms that to have gotten as far as they did, he had to become hardened and also had to do some horrible things, sometimes not caring about others to "do what needed to be done". Originally for his family and himself, and when he lost him.. All he had left was the group.

In my opinion, he accepted he'd probably die and stayed behind to put Ben out of his misery, full well knowing he'd probably be bitten or dragged down and eaten. But he still fought back and tried to run.

MsLox · 11/23/2012, 02:45 pm

On my main playthrough I didn't have Ben, so I saw the scenario where he saves Christa and dies. In that one he seems a lot more valiant and a lot less like he's giving up.

FistoTheSexbot · 11/23/2012, 02:48 pm

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Originally Posted by MsLox

On my main playthrough I didn't have Ben, so I saw the scenario where he saves Christa and dies. In that one he seems a lot more valiant and a lot less like he's giving up.

Yeah, but he couldn't get out of there, when it's ben, he can escape but he doesn't.

Pride · 11/23/2012, 02:59 pm

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Originally Posted by FistoTheSexbot

Yeah, but he couldn't get out of there, when it's ben, he can escape but he doesn't.

Because he just couldn't live with himself if he let Ben die alone :T
Not after wishing he was dead and then hearing Ben's story about his own family.

Kitmit13 · 11/23/2012, 04:08 pm

I think he was just tired of living. He lost his family and his boat dream. I guess he made it so Ben didn't have to die alone?

dinofire · 11/23/2012, 04:20 pm

If Omid and Christa didn't join the group, do you think Kenny still would've died?
In the Ben case, I guess the balcony wouldn't have come loose with 2 less people jumping on it.
In Christa's case, I guess they would ignore the walkie talkie

Also, if Ben DID fall off, do you think Kenny would still would have suicided, leaving no one to take care of Clem?

11/23/2012, 01:52 pm	#1
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	Why did "Sacrifice" himself? "We're gonna find clementime, with or without you, Lee" later "Oh, nope. Just gonna kill myself, not like I care about what happens to clementime or If Lee doesn't make it" Really? He could have just shot Ben then go with Lee, wouldn't take long, sure the walkers would go to them, but they can't climb ladders, and they would be long gone before they could even get up. I know Kenny doesn't got a family left, and the boat is gone, but he cared for Lee and Clementime, and I doubt he'd just forget that and die for nothing. Why did you think he did it? Was it a legit reason? Do you think the his death was a good death or just a "Let's just get this character over with" death. Last edited by Jennifer; 11/24/2012 at 11:07 am.

11/23/2012, 01:58 pm	#4
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,089	I think he gave up and found the right moment to "help" while "opting out". __________________ WITCH! Oh sorry, got confused by all your crying. ~ Francis

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11/23/2012, 01:54 pm	#2
izzywozzy Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 77	I think it was the lack of boats that drove him insane.

11/23/2012, 01:57 pm	#3
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	Don't think so, you can agree with him that after you get Clem, you will search for more boats, he will like the idea and agree. Besides, he wanted Clem to survive, and wanted to get her back, he wouldn't just give that up and choose to die.

11/23/2012, 02:02 pm	#5
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	He didn't help anyone besides Ben by shooting him, Kenny knew Lee wouldn't probaly make it, so he would have followed Lee up again. But, TTG does decide what happens, just seems pretty stupid to die for nothing, I think he got a non good thought up death.

11/23/2012, 02:05 pm	#6
booki94 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 58	he wanted to die in that moment... family's gone, boat's gone. he always talked about taking his family on a boat to safety. he lost his family in ep 3 so the only thing he had left was the boat. then vernon took the boat and suddenly he felt depressed, angry and desperate and chose to commit suicide, he had nothing left (thats what i think because u also got a dialog says "Suicide" or something)

11/23/2012, 02:05 pm	#7
Pride Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	If you mention Katjaa when he's about to sacrifice himself, he says something about wanting to meet her and Duck again. So yeah, he'd given up, and I guess he wanted to be there with Ben so he wouldn't have to go through his worst nightmare alone. Honestly, I don't think he could have walked out of there sane after leaving Ben there to die. Not after finally symphatizing with the kid. His conscience would eat him up, he's that kind of guy. "There's no way in this world God would have let me keep my child when I helped kill another's"

11/23/2012, 02:07 pm	#8
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	Doubt Kenny would just sucicide because of Katjaa and Duck, also the boat. He even said "You don't just end it cause it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about." —Kenny talking to the group about suicide Aka, helping Lee finding Clem.

11/23/2012, 02:07 pm	#9
kirby18 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 268	Kenny is not insane. He realized that this entire time he has only been concerned with him and his families well-being, for each case you can argue he realized it was his time to go while saving someone and therefore redeeming himself. Christa: he knew as evidence by his expression in the attic when she drank the bottle that she was pregnant. Ben: he never looked from his perspective and realized he was wrong.

11/23/2012, 02:09 pm	#10
plaqueconspiracy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 277	I feel like it was a stupid and selfish move. If he died (which is highly probable), it was an easy way out. I can't imagine him caring so much for Ben when all he has been thinking about is his own family's, Clementine's and his own survival all this time. Ben lost his family just like anyone else... That sounds really cold but, yeah... Maybe the couple who shot themselves triggered his thoughts. I think he did it for himself. He didn't want to any more. BUT, something tells me that it has to do with what I've been saying countless times... Some scenes must've been cut out from the final product. Something else must've lead up to Kenny's total breakdown.

11/23/2012, 02:12 pm	#11
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	Kenny got angerd that the couple suicided, he said, well I posted it above. I don't think he'd just change his mind cause Ben died. He said you don't suicide cause it's hard, you stick it out and help others, but he didn't, he almost stopped caring about the Clem moment after Ben.

11/23/2012, 02:22 pm	#13
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,943	He lost the boat, which was his only hope. It's heroic for him to die while saving someone else.

11/23/2012, 02:23 pm	#14
FistoTheSexbot Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 61	He could have put Clem's, christa's and Omid's life on danger if he killed himself with Ben. I really loved Kenny as a character, and I wouldn't be so angerd over it if he died helping Lee getting Clem atleast, Ben and Kenny died for nothing, although it does teaches you alittle bit that you should think before you wish for someone to die.

11/23/2012, 02:24 pm	#15
Destmond Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 5	I don't think he was <trying> to die, because he could have just stood there and let the walkers eat him if he were really that far gone. If you pay close attention to his dialogue leading up to that point, mainly in the attic, and especially the room with the dead couple, he seems to come to terms that to have gotten as far as they did, he had to become hardened and also had to do some horrible things, sometimes not caring about others to "do what needed to be done". Originally for his family and himself, and when he lost him.. All he had left was the group. In my opinion, he accepted he'd probably die and stayed behind to put Ben out of his misery, full well knowing he'd probably be bitten or dragged down and eaten. But he still fought back and tried to run.

11/23/2012, 02:45 pm	#16
MsLox Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 41	On my main playthrough I didn't have Ben, so I saw the scenario where he saves Christa and dies. In that one he seems a lot more valiant and a lot less like he's giving up.

11/23/2012, 04:08 pm	#19
Kitmit13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 232	I think he was just tired of living. He lost his family and his boat dream. I guess he made it so Ben didn't have to die alone?

11/23/2012, 04:20 pm	#20
dinofire Kenny,Ben & Omid FTW Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 175	If Omid and Christa didn't join the group, do you think Kenny still would've died? In the Ben case, I guess the balcony wouldn't have come loose with 2 less people jumping on it. In Christa's case, I guess they would ignore the walkie talkie Also, if Ben DID fall off, do you think Kenny would still would have suicided, leaving no one to take care of Clem?