Why do people like Ben?

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

Sorry, I misread that.

No, I don't. However, most cowards probably would die early on. Bravery is pretty much required in TWD. You're dead without it. Ben lived as long as he did because of the bravery of Carley and Doug. Because of Lee's bravery. Because of Clem's bravery. Because of Kenny's bravery. You'd think some of that courage would rub off.

Look around the globe, kids show examples of bravery every day. American and many First World teenagers are sheltered, but give them the benefit of the doubt.

As you said, most cowards would survive due to the courage of others. E.g. cowardly teens would survive due to their parents bravery and love for them. Maybe 5% of the kids in this generation have displayed some bravery (e.g. Jeremy Wuitschick in California, the kid who drove the school bus following the bus driver losing unconsciousness).

I'm willing to bet most teenagers would have the mentality that they'd be a hero following a zombie apocalypse, they'd be super brave and all of that. But in reality, when push comes to shove, they'd be too afraid to do anything heroic. It's not like Ben doesn't have some bravery though, going into Crawford by itself must have required a lot of bravery and I bet you he cares more about Clementine, or whoever, more then his own life but when the situation calls for it fear clouds his judgement and always prevails. Believe it or not but in those dire situations it really is hard to act, even if someone you love is in danger.

"He thought about other people before he thought about himself. My mom always told me that's what makes a good person."

[HiggsBoson2142]

Why do I like Ben? Huh, that's a tough question even though he's my favorite character. I think it's just a friendly guy, because I don't know how many others would give Clementine some stickers they found in a drawer. That and he's one of the most human people in the group. Lilly and Larry became complete maniacs, Carley was getting a little too bitchy (Yes I agree with that), Kenny's family got a little too confident and Kenny himself wouldn't let go of anything. Along with Doug and Mark (Or what I saw of him), Ben stayed a good-minded person who wasn't afraid to say what was on his mind, unlike Doug. Even with everyone constantly bombarding him with insults and distrust, Ben kept calm (Except Episode 5) and wanted to kill himself because everyone else but Lee wanted him gone. Ben may have messed up, but to me, on the inside, Ben was a hero.

Also he took me back to watching Scooby-Doo on Saturday morning.

[zeke10]

Originally Posted by HiggsBoson2142

Why do I like Ben? Huh, that's a tough question even though he's my favorite character. I think it's just a friendly guy, because I don't know how many others would give Clementine some stickers they found in a drawer. That and he's one of the most human people in the group. Lilly and Larry became complete maniacs, Carley was getting a little too bitchy (Yes I agree with that), Kenny's family got a little too confident and Kenny himself wouldn't let go of anything. Along with Doug and Mark (Or what I saw of him), Ben stayed a good-minded person who wasn't afraid to say what was on his mind, unlike Doug. Even with everyone constantly bombarding him with insults and distrust, Ben kept calm (Except Episode 5) and wanted to kill himself because everyone else but Lee wanted him gone. Ben may have messed up, but to me, on the inside, Ben was a hero.

Also he took me back to watching Scooby-Doo on Saturday morning.

So he reminds you of shaggy too?

[HiggsBoson2142]

Originally Posted by zeke10

So he reminds you of shaggy too?

*nods*

[zeke10]

Originally Posted by HiggsBoson2142

*nods*

Hmm sucks he didn't find a dog
"Like zoinks lee"

[Moggyoxys]

Originally Posted by zeke10

Hmm sucks he didn't find a dog
"Like zoinks lee"

What about that dog we dug up. Ben and Skeletal Dog adventures, I like the sound of that.

[zeke10]

Originally Posted by Moggyoxys

What about that dog we dug up. Ben and Skeletal Dog adventures, I like the sound of that.

Lol but me thinks the walkers ain't just guys in masks

[HiggsBoson2142]

Originally Posted by zeke10

Lol but me thinks the walkers ain't just guys in masks

Doug - Fred
Ben - Shaggy
Carley - Velma
Lilly - Daphne
Dead dog - Scooby

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by HiggsBoson2142

Doug - Fred
Ben - Shaggy
Carley - Velma
Lilly - Daphne
Dead dog - Scooby

Carley as Velma!? Did you forget a certain battery-related incident? They're polar opposites!

Anyway, i like Ben because he has a good heart(despite his attitude in episode 4 ). Even if i didn't like him i would still try to save him, because we're in this together, and everyone counts, regardless of your mistakes(unless he gets someone killed literally every 5 minutes).

[rachellouise85]

Originally Posted by shedim

So if everyone can screw up as he pleases over and over again and get away with it because the oh-so-poor-guy lost his family, totally unlike everyobody else and...is still considered a poor child...even though he's got a beard...the group isn't going to survive one day.

Can't remember the last time I've seen a kid with a beard. Can you?

Okay, argue with yourself. I've clearly stated what my point was. I'll do it again:

Chuck's "you're either alive or dead,not smart, not strong" etc. (If no-one is smart, and no-one is strong, then no-one is weak and no-one is stupid either) They're all just alive.

This argument stands for everyone, or no one. You can't just use it for certain aspects or people etc.
So to use it as an argument for either side is pointless. That's what I was saying to Doctanian.

[dinofire]

Ben doesn't have anything to live for.
Lee lives for Clem (and possible Kenny)
Clem lives for Lee & her parents
Kenny lives for Lee & Clem, and formerly Duck, Kat, and Boat
Omid lives for Christa and her baby
Christa lives for Omid & her baby

The closest thing to anyone who ever actually cared about him was David Parker and Travis. But they're both gone now :/

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Originally Posted by CarScar

As you said, most cowards would survive due to the courage of others. E.g. cowardly teens would survive due to their parents bravery and love for them. Maybe 5% of the kids in this generation have displayed some bravery (e.g. Jeremy Wuitschick in California, the kid who drove the school bus following the bus driver losing unconsciousness).

I'm willing to bet most teenagers would have the mentality that they'd be a hero following a zombie apocalypse, they'd be super brave and all of that. But in reality, when push comes to shove, they'd be too afraid to do anything heroic. It's not like Ben doesn't have some bravery though, going into Crawford by itself must have required a lot of bravery and I bet you he cares more about Clementine, or whoever, more then his own life but when the situation calls for it fear clouds his judgement and always prevails. Believe it or not but in those dire situations it really is hard to act, even if someone you love is in danger.

"He thought about other people before he thought about himself. My mom always told me that's what makes a good person."

But should Ben have to think that Clem or Duck's life would be more important than his own? Is he even old enough to have an obligation to do so?

[zeke10]

Originally Posted by shedim

So if everyone can screw up as he pleases over and over again and get away with it because the oh-so-poor-guy lost his family, totally unlike everyobody else and...is still considered a poor child...even though he's got a beard...the group isn't going to survive one day.

Can't remember the last time I've seen a kid with a beard. Can you?

Its not a beard its fuzz pretty much and most teenagers have it

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by HiggsBoson2142

Why do I like Ben? Huh, that's a tough question even though he's my favorite character. I think it's just a friendly guy, because I don't know how many others would give Clementine some stickers they found in a drawer. That and he's one of the most human people in the group. Lilly and Larry became complete maniacs, Carley was getting a little too bitchy (Yes I agree with that), Kenny's family got a little too confident and Kenny himself wouldn't let go of anything. Along with Doug and Mark (Or what I saw of him), Ben stayed a good-minded person who wasn't afraid to say what was on his mind, unlike Doug. Even with everyone constantly bombarding him with insults and distrust, Ben kept calm (Except Episode 5) and wanted to kill himself because everyone else but Lee wanted him gone. Ben may have messed up, but to me, on the inside, Ben was a hero.

Also he took me back to watching Scooby-Doo on Saturday morning.

Pfft, the only time Carley was getting "bitchy" was when she was saving your "favorite character" Ben. If it wasn't for Carley defending his traitor ass, he would have been shot instead.

How about you show some gratitude.