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Typicaldavid · 12/12/2012, 06:31 am

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Originally Posted by Kaserkin

No need for explosions, simple semi-auto fire. About rooftops, having an helicopter staying on it (if it's a big building) for evac. The idea behind making them get outside the cities is to "channel" them in one direction and let their numbers play against them (they are stuck). No need for unlimited resources: arsenals are full and securing a few factories and getting someone to work in them isn't that hard. I'm not saying it will be sorted out in a few days, but after a few weeks everything will be under control.

well, keeping helis on rooftops isnt a good idea either, unless thier not staying on the rooftops for long. if you keep the heli on idle for a long time, it just wastes gas. if you turn the heli off and wait until the dead start punching through the door, it takes a while for the heli start... and then all the soldiers and pilot will be munched by that time. and you'd be suprised how fast bullets get spent, even with semiautomatic fire. not every bullet is gonna hit them in the head, and the closer they get, the tendancy to shoot faster and probably full auto is going to be high. resupply would take a while since they would have to make runs for every company, squad, etc. and not many people are gonna volunteer to work at an arms factory near an infested city. and how exactly would they "channel" them when its just free for all shooting as they come closer to edges of the city?

owner070 · 12/12/2012, 06:43 am

The first thermonuclear ("hydrogen") bomb test released the same amount of energy as approximately 10,000,000 tons of TNT.[1] <<<<<<<WIKIPEDIA]
So you dickheads go use a napalm and soldiers i will use a Nuclear bomb

Kaserkin · 12/12/2012, 07:03 am

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Originally Posted by Typicaldavid

well, keeping helis on rooftops isnt a good idea either, unless thier not staying on the rooftops for long. if you keep the heli on idle for a long time, it just wastes gas. if you turn the heli off and wait until the dead start punching through the door, it takes a while for the heli start... and then all the soldiers and pilot will be munched by that time. and you'd be suprised how fast bullets get spent, even with semiautomatic fire. not every bullet is gonna hit them in the head, and the closer they get, the tendancy to shoot faster and probably full auto is going to be high. resupply would take a while since they would have to make runs for every company, squad, etc. and not many people are gonna volunteer to work at an arms factory near an infested city. and how exactly would they "channel" them when its just free for all shooting as they come closer to edges of the city?

Well just barricade the hell out of that roof, buys time. Use look-outs. Recon and sighting are 2 keypoints in warfare. About ammo factory, it doesn't have to be that close, just 20 km behind the front (farther, if it's possible). I know that if they get closer the soldiers could panic, but closer they are, better chances you got to shoot them in the head. In general, keep supplies and morale high, use recon, and just fall back in order if they are too close (the unit closer to zombies goes first, the second covers them and so on).
Or to hell, just use jets and napalm and screw keeping cities intact

Typicaldavid · 12/12/2012, 03:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Well just barricade the hell out of that roof, buys time. Use look-outs. Recon and sighting are 2 keypoints in warfare. About ammo factory, it doesn't have to be that close, just 20 km behind the front (farther, if it's possible). I know that if they get closer the soldiers could panic, but closer they are, better chances you got to shoot them in the head. In general, keep supplies and morale high, use recon, and just fall back in order if they are too close (the unit closer to zombies goes first, the second covers them and so on).
Or to hell, just use jets and napalm and screw keeping cities intact

nah man, gotta vacuum bomb that shit!

Merlynn · 12/12/2012, 05:36 pm

Kaserkin is right. It would take a LOT of zombies to overcome the military and in order to get that many,you'd have to have enough to overwhelm the police right off the bat. And armed citizens. And everyone with a car. And everyone who can get their hands on something to crack or chop a skull with. You're just going to need a huge number of zombies to even challenge the military. That's why the multiple outbreaks scenario is the only one that works with zombies like these.

Typicaldavid · 12/12/2012, 05:59 pm

you know... not everyones gonna crack some skulls or even run them over in the time of the outbreak. its not something that you just " oh hey, theres a zombie that was my sister 'BLAM'..easy as pie. no emotional toll" yeah, and i get that people are gonna defend themselves by killing them. but something like this could easily make some freeze up as well and end up being chow or infected. and the police.. well their job is to protect the citizens and subdue them in any means possible before using lethal force. on top of that, admist all the chaos, people do some crazy shit like killing each other because they only think theyre infected. like larry, sort of.

Merlynn · 12/12/2012, 08:29 pm

They didn't try to subdue that guy eating that bum's face in Florida. Trust me,they're gonna just shoot the zombies. Unlike most zombie movies,people might freak out about the zombies,but they're not going to repeatedly lose their shit every single time they see a zombie. Most are gonna freak out AND beat to death the zombie trying to eat them. People can multi-task like that.

And lets face it,there are some people who'd run you over for getting in their way,let alone being a zombie. So,yeah,zombies have their work cut out for them.

Typicaldavid · 12/13/2012, 02:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Merlynn

They didn't try to subdue that guy eating that bum's face in Florida. Trust me,they're gonna just shoot the zombies. Unlike most zombie movies,people might freak out about the zombies,but they're not going to repeatedly lose their shit every single time they see a zombie. Most are gonna freak out AND beat to death the zombie trying to eat them. People can multi-task like that.

And lets face it,there are some people who'd run you over for getting in their way,let alone being a zombie. So,yeah,zombies have their work cut out for them.

okey dokey then, ill "trust" you on that matter

Jakkal · 12/27/2012, 10:34 am

A lot of people tend to forget that in the Kirkman universe, Zombie movies, books, etc never existed.

I think that people will find a way to screw it up. Presuming it's TWD zombification, the thing is that everyone is infected BEFORE they become a zombie or even know about it. Go to check on grannie who was supposed to be sound asleep in bed? BAM! zombie bit. That guy you've been on the job with and is your child's godfather is lying face down and looks like he's struggling? You go to help - BAM! zombie bit.

Stress doesn't just hit you in the first day. It builds. When you look at how sore you can get after playing 6-8 hours of a sport, needing like 3 days of recovery for sore, strained muscles, ligaments and joints, people are pretty screwed. The military is fine and all, but if the sh*t hits the fan and people start panicing, or going to try to help their families rather than staying in a squad it's over.

Zombies are a persistent problem in the Kirkman world because they are persistant - you die, your brain is in (decent) shape, you're a zombie. With so few people, of COURSE people are going to get attached and overreact, bombarded by stress, survival and strain every day.

Not to mention, while the military is trained, even handling the recoil of a gun is fatiguing. Constant loud sounds, over 100lb of gear to carry around (while in close combat) and a constantly shambling enemy that doesn't get tired. It's just a matter of time.

Guns aren't perfectly accurate, not to mention in the hands of someone who hasn't slept for the last 4 days because his wife not only died - but then tried to eat him. Even if guns were perfectly accurate, they're a hell of a lot harder to use under stress than a lot of people think. Hell, I'm an airsofter that's been to an outdoors zombie game at night. Even with slow shambling zombies, it's not easy to survive for 4 hour rounds not to mention for days or months on end.

12/12/2012, 06:43 am	#62
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12/12/2012, 05:36 pm	#65
Merlynn Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 41	Kaserkin is right. It would take a LOT of zombies to overcome the military and in order to get that many,you'd have to have enough to overwhelm the police right off the bat. And armed citizens. And everyone with a car. And everyone who can get their hands on something to crack or chop a skull with. You're just going to need a huge number of zombies to even challenge the military. That's why the multiple outbreaks scenario is the only one that works with zombies like these.

12/12/2012, 05:59 pm	#66
Typicaldavid Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 59	you know... not everyones gonna crack some skulls or even run them over in the time of the outbreak. its not something that you just " oh hey, theres a zombie that was my sister 'BLAM'..easy as pie. no emotional toll" yeah, and i get that people are gonna defend themselves by killing them. but something like this could easily make some freeze up as well and end up being chow or infected. and the police.. well their job is to protect the citizens and subdue them in any means possible before using lethal force. on top of that, admist all the chaos, people do some crazy shit like killing each other because they only think theyre infected. like larry, sort of.

12/12/2012, 08:29 pm	#67
Merlynn Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 41	They didn't try to subdue that guy eating that bum's face in Florida. Trust me,they're gonna just shoot the zombies. Unlike most zombie movies,people might freak out about the zombies,but they're not going to repeatedly lose their shit every single time they see a zombie. Most are gonna freak out AND beat to death the zombie trying to eat them. People can multi-task like that. And lets face it,there are some people who'd run you over for getting in their way,let alone being a zombie. So,yeah,zombies have their work cut out for them.

12/27/2012, 10:34 am	#69
Jakkal Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7	A lot of people tend to forget that in the Kirkman universe, Zombie movies, books, etc never existed. I think that people will find a way to screw it up. Presuming it's TWD zombification, the thing is that everyone is infected BEFORE they become a zombie or even know about it. Go to check on grannie who was supposed to be sound asleep in bed? BAM! zombie bit. That guy you've been on the job with and is your child's godfather is lying face down and looks like he's struggling? You go to help - BAM! zombie bit. Stress doesn't just hit you in the first day. It builds. When you look at how sore you can get after playing 6-8 hours of a sport, needing like 3 days of recovery for sore, strained muscles, ligaments and joints, people are pretty screwed. The military is fine and all, but if the sh*t hits the fan and people start panicing, or going to try to help their families rather than staying in a squad it's over. Zombies are a persistent problem in the Kirkman world because they are persistant - you die, your brain is in (decent) shape, you're a zombie. With so few people, of COURSE people are going to get attached and overreact, bombarded by stress, survival and strain every day. Not to mention, while the military is trained, even handling the recoil of a gun is fatiguing. Constant loud sounds, over 100lb of gear to carry around (while in close combat) and a constantly shambling enemy that doesn't get tired. It's just a matter of time. Guns aren't perfectly accurate, not to mention in the hands of someone who hasn't slept for the last 4 days because his wife not only died - but then tried to eat him. Even if guns were perfectly accurate, they're a hell of a lot harder to use under stress than a lot of people think. Hell, I'm an airsofter that's been to an outdoors zombie game at night. Even with slow shambling zombies, it's not easy to survive for 4 hour rounds not to mention for days or months on end.