Kenny dead or alive? (massively merged threads)

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by King Cam72

I don't see how Ben could make any noises after being mercy killed by Kenny

Dude, seriously? a body getting torn apart and eaten as walkers eat him doesn't make a lot of noise? Brie never said much, but the walkers biting her made alot of noise.

[Mark$man]

@King, if he wanted to die he'd of done it long ago. He was helping Lee find that little girl, but he was also trying to keep the group alive. He probably thinks he should be the one to die over anyone, but I seriously soubt he was trying to die "either I save the boy or I get to see them again..." Christa scene "Just get her out of here! Go! I'll be *sounds of struggle* get off of me!" So you don't know. If you talk to him about the dead couple how it might have been the right thing to do, he'll comment that you don't just give up, that you fight it as long as you are alive. I believe after that it was never suicide. He was trying for justice.

[anonymau5]

Oh wow! Someone found proof! And it's already things we've seen before. Great

Honestly, if they bring Kenny back, I'll be severely disappointing in the game. Hell, if they bring him back in season two, then I probably won't play season three. Because at that point it's no longer a gritty realistic game about what would happen in the real world if zombies came in. It's now a game where a man with no way out of an alleyway without getting bitten escapes. I mean, The Walking Dead game is all about a good narrative, and there's no way Kenny could escape, and honestly, no reason for him to do so. All of his family members are dead, he's helping a man he may or may not like, find a little girl. He's done his part, and he's helped christa out of a hole and mercy killed Ben. He's done his part and he's justified what he's done as a sacrifice.

[Mornai]

There are several windows on both sides of the buildings in the alleyway. Further, if they can "smell blood" as Christa says, the walkers would be more inclined to go for the profusely bleeding Ben rather than Kenny, but i suppose that's a long shot.

Either way, there is a chance for escape in both scenarios. It is very slim, but it's there and refusing to accept it won't deny its existence.

I wouldn't think he'd be alive were it not for Tyreese. It may be beating a dead horse, but that event proves that this type of escape is not out of the realm of possibility in this universe.

Regardless of whether Kenny sees Lee as a friend or not, he still cares for him and Clementine, because he says even though his family is gone he knows he can be even more alone.

[Mark$man]

Wow, so when someone is trapped they are automatically dead? He was surrounded, not eaten! There was a chance to escape. Look up tyresse of comic books, he survives being completely surrounded by walkers and left for dead. He makes it back ALIVE and UNHARMED, so your point that there is no chance is null. He could have killed them all simply with his pistol as a melee. Unlikely? Yes. Possible. Yes indeed.

[Robert Morgan]

Originally Posted by anonymau5

Honestly, if they bring Kenny back, I'll be severely disappointing in the game. Hell, if they bring him back in season two, then I probably won't play season three. Because at that point it's no longer a gritty realistic game about what would happen in the real world if zombies came in. It's now a game where a man with no way out of an alleyway without getting bitten escapes.

Like a lot of people, I think you're confusing pessimism with realism. Why do you believe Kenny's escape should completely undermine this otherwise dark and horrible world? As someone else already pointed out, Kenny's chances of survival are slim, but they're not nonexistent. Hell, Lee was able to fight through a street full of walkers in episode 5, and depending on how you control him, he doesn't get chomped once. I should also mention he was already in bad shape, and in an alternate scenario, missing an arm.

As for Kenny's arc being "finished", I don't agree on that point. Neither scene in which he "dies" came across as a genuine farewell to the character. Maybe this is due to Telltale's own decision to leave Ken's fate on an ambiguous note. Or maybe it has more to do with something Kenny said in the bedroom about never having to give up. One cutscene later, and he appears to be doing exactly that, at least in Ben's scenario.

Kenny alive, Kenny dead, Kenny as a walker, Kenny as the PC...either way, I strongly doubt we've seen the last of him.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Robert Morgan

Like a lot of people, I think you're confusing pessimism with realism. Why do you believe Kenny's escape should completely undermine this otherwise dark and horrible world? As someone else already pointed out, Kenny's chances of survival are slim, but they're not nonexistent. Hell, Lee was able to fight through a street full of walkers in episode 5, and depending on how you control him, he doesn't get chomped once. I should also mention he was already in bad shape, and in an alternate scenario, missing an arm.

As for Kenny's arc being "finished", I don't agree on that point. Neither scene in which he "dies" came across as a genuine farewell to the character. Maybe this is due to Telltale's own decision to leave Ken's fate on an ambiguous note. Or maybe it has more to do with something Kenny said in the bedroom about never having to give up. One cutscene later, and he appears to be doing exactly that, at least in Ben's scenario.

Kenny alive, Kenny dead, Kenny as a walker, Kenny as the PC...either way, I strongly doubt we've seen the last of him.

I agree. I think it isn't the end for him. For Kenny, at the very least, I think we'll see him again :P

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Everyone that dies in TWD dies in front of your eyes shawn/doug/carly/mark/ben/kat/duck/chuck/brie. Not kenny though. This and in E5 he states kat took the easy way out and says that isnt right. So he isnt dead.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by GREYxDUZxKRUSH

Everyone that dies in TWD dies in front of your eyes shawn/doug/carly/mark/ben/kat/duck/chuck/brie. Not kenny though. This and in E5 he states kat took the easy way out and says that isnt right. So he isnt dead.

That's not so true; Lee's parents for example, they're pretty clearly dead - but we never see it happen and we don't see bodies (all we have is the line that there was an elderly couple in the office).

More to the point, however, there's also Andy and Danny St. John, if you didn't kill them yourself. I doubt a lot of people expect to see them again, and I think atleast Andy had a lot more in escape options than Kenny did. Hell, by this reasoning we even have to count the pregnant cow as not being dead, since we don't see it get eaten once walkers lumber onto the farm.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That's not so true; Lee's parents for example, they're pretty clearly dead - but we never see it happen and we don't see bodies (all we have is the line that there was an elderly couple in the office).

More to the point, however, there's also Andy and Danny St. John, if you didn't kill them yourself. I doubt a lot of people expect to see them again, and I think atleast Andy had a lot more in escape options than Kenny did. Hell, by this reasoning we even have to count the pregnant cow as not being dead, since we don't see it get eaten once walkers lumber onto the farm.

Expect none of these people or animals are part of the main cast. You only see them for a time. Every person I named is a main cast member alive for multi episodes except brie/mark.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by GREYxDUZxKRUSH

Expect none of these people or animals are part of the main cast. You only see them for a time. Every person I named is a main cast member alive for multi episodes except brie/mark.

That's shifting the goal posts though. You said "everyone that dies" (emphasis mine) not just the main cast. If you meant just the main cast, why include examples that weren't part of it?

Incidentally, there's also the big one: Lee. We never see his corpse with gunshot to the head or see him reanimate... and the developers confirmed he's dead.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That's shifting the goal posts though. You said "everyone that dies" (emphasis mine) not just the main cast. If you meant just the main cast, why include examples that weren't part of it?

Incidentally, there's also the big one: Lee. We never see his corpse with gunshot to the head or see him reanimate... and the developers confirmed he's dead.

mark/brie are main cast just not multi episodes. As for lee you didnt see it because theres more to tell even if its just zombie lee. Just like not seeing kennys death. Writes way of saying more things to come. Samething with Lily. She will be back some way or form because you didnt see her fall.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That's not so true; Lee's parents for example, they're pretty clearly dead - but we never see it happen and we don't see bodies (all we have is the line that there was an elderly couple in the office).

More to the point, however, there's also Andy and Danny St. John, if you didn't kill them yourself. I doubt a lot of people expect to see them again, and I think atleast Andy had a lot more in escape options than Kenny did. Hell, by this reasoning we even have to count the pregnant cow as not being dead, since we don't see it get eaten once walkers lumber onto the farm.

If i meant lees parents/cow/st john i would of mentioned them ya think.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by GREYxDUZxKRUSH

If i meant lees parents/cow/st john i would of mentioned them ya think.

Not if they disprove your reasoning of "everyone that dies in TWD dies in front of your eyes" as a rationalization for Kenny not being dead.

And I'd love to know how you define "main cast" if Shawn, Mark and Brie somehow qualify, yet the St. John brothers don't. Andy and Danny had more time under the spotlight than Shawn or Brie ever did.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

You keep saying EVERYONE but i listed who everyone was. Not a cow. Not the st johns which are antagonist and they are not gonna be around long. Even still kennys death not being seen is 1 of 2 reasons why i said hes alive. He doesnt believe in suicide. Like i said before. Shawn is 1st person you go with after clem and is brought up 2 more after his death. Mark is part of E2 as much if not more than st johns. Maybe brie could be argued but still is around long enough to believe she might be part of the group aka main cast. Of course you know she doesnt make it but at the time you dont know.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That's not so true; Lee's parents for example, they're pretty clearly dead - but we never see it happen and we don't see bodies (all we have is the line that there was an elderly couple in the office).

More to the point, however, there's also Andy and Danny St. John, if you didn't kill them yourself. I doubt a lot of people expect to see them again, and I think atleast Andy had a lot more in escape options than Kenny did. Hell, by this reasoning we even have to count the pregnant cow as not being dead, since we don't see it get eaten once walkers lumber onto the farm.

Hmm... following the reasoning that all of the above mentioned are alive, so what? That changes nothing regarding Kenny. I don't know which side you're on in the Kenny-alive-or-dead debate, but that argument further supports him surviving than dying.


Perhaps main cast can be defined as anyone who is an ally. The St. Johns are not on your side and likely wouldn't be from the start. They just want to trade you human meat for gasoline to keep themselves safe, and kill you if you figure it out. Mark is always on your side, and Brie is cautious at first but assists you to her death.

[multicolt]

i vote alive. that way kenny would wind up seeing the visions of lee from time to time like how rick is seeing his wife in the t.v. show. one we would get to see lee again (sort of) and it would be fitting on the part of kenny. the weak will inherit the earth.

[Robert Morgan]

Originally Posted by multicolt

i vote alive. that way kenny would wind up seeing the visions of lee from time to time like how rick is seeing his wife in the t.v. show. one we would get to see lee again (sort of) and it would be fitting on the part of kenny. the weak will inherit the earth.

Kenny seeing hallucinations of Lee? Wouldn't Clem be a more probable candidate?

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Robert Morgan

Kenny seeing hallucinations of Lee? Wouldn't Clem be a more probable candidate?

Why would he? While Kenny does care about Clem, he knew Lee and Omid & and Christa were on their way to save her, and if Lee failed Omid & Christa still have a good chance to rescue her. He knew Lee was guaranteed dead, but Clementine would always have hope in the form of Omid & Christa(since they are still there when Kenny dies). In that case i think it would be more probable for him to reflect on things regarding Lee directly rather than indirectly through Clem, especially since they were never very close.

He could be thinking of how he could have done things differently, helped him get Clem or just been a better friend in general, since he knows Lee is one person he will not see again.

Edit: It seems i may have misinterpreted the statement. You probably meant Clem seeing hallucinations of Lee, in which case i feel terribly dim.

[Robert Morgan]

Originally Posted by Mornai

He could be thinking of how he could have done things differently, helped him get Clem or just been a better friend in general, since he knows Lee is one person he will not see again.

This is the sort of detail that might help placate fans who disliked Kenny. If the subject of Lee was ever brought up, Kenny could have dialogue along the lines of, "He was a better pal than I deserved," or, if he didn't get along with Lee, "The pair of us were...real shits sometimes."

Or maybe none of the above would even be necessary, if Kenny were to simply stumble across Lee's body in the jewellery store. Whatever takes place in that scene could resolve Lee and Kenny's relationship permanently, and it would never have to be referred to again.