Anyone find it odd that Lee choose not to

[darknessofheart]

Go into detail about why he killed somebody in Episode 3 when you choose who to tell about your past. I know that he still killed someone regardless of the circumstances, but I found it odd that he never clarifies why he killed somebody to ensure that no one gets the wrong idea when he tells them; like he murdered someone in a robbery or something. We know the reason, but the other characters, except for Carly, are left in the dark about his motives.

I think if he told everyone that he caught his wife cheating with someone and he accidentally killed him when he fought the guy, they would understand much more. In the end, everyone seemed to understand Lee's decision, but to me, it was just odd that Lee did not feel the need to elaborate on the circumstances of the murder since it really does make it much more understandable and puts it into better context.

When playing through that particular scenario, I really wish that we had a dialogue option to explain the incident more so that everyone knows the exact nature of Lee's crime. I understand why he choose not to tell Clem as she might not understand the reason at such a young age, though she proved to be incredibly smart and bright for her age. Did anyone else find it odd that we were never given the option to better explain the incident when given the choice to confess the crime to Kenny and everyone else?

[thestalkinghead]

yeah that was odd, it think the telltale wanted to keep the mystery of what happened but at the same time confess, which didn't work, lee can tell Katjaa he killed someone and she tells him to be "more specific" and asks if he would have been killed if he didn't kill the guy and lee says "i don't know" then that is it end of conversation, if i were Katjaa i would have said "no Lee, that doesn't answer my question just tell me exactly what happened" i can't believe anybody but maybe ben and Clementine would accept a vague statement of what happened without needing the full story

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

yeah that was odd, it think the telltale wanted to keep the mystery of what happened but at the same time confess, which didn't work, lee can tell Katjaa he killed someone and she tells him to be "more specific" and asks if he would have been killed if he didn't kill the guy and lee says "i don't know" then that is it end of conversation, if i were Katjaa i would have said "no Lee, that doesn't answer my question just tell me exactly what happened" i can't believe anybody but maybe ben and Clementine would accept a vague statement of what happened without needing the full story

Meh, I don't think it's that odd. Makes kind of sense, in my opinion. In Katjaa's case she already knows that Lee is a good person, the fact that he may be a bad man wouldn't even cross her mind. She also doesn't seem like kind of the person who would want to pry into other people's business.

"You see, he and my wife were..."
*Lee looks physically upset*
"No, that's enough."

Also, as Lee puts it:

"How'd she take it?"
"She seemed more upset with Kenny than with me."

She had more pressing matters in mind.

In Kenny's case, all he cares about is his family. As long as he knows Lee wouldn't harm Duck or Katjaa, he'd be fine. Also he could, in fact, be your best bud at that point in the game. Lilly probably already got all the details she needs to know from Larry and, similar to Kenny's case, she might be your best bud at that point. She might also hate your guts and wouldn't really want to have an extended conversation with you.

[double_u]

I think it would be logical for most people to press for more info, even out of curiosity. I think TTG was probably trying to juggle how much dialogue they could put it, and decided to go with lines that aren't repetitive and show more of the character being talked to. Like CarScar said about Katjaa being more worried about Kenny. Or like Kenny more focused on making sure that his family was safe and didn't care once he knew Lee wasn't touching kids.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by CarScar

Meh, I don't think it's that odd. Makes kind of sense, in my opinion. In Katjaa's case she already knows that Lee is a good person, the fact that he may be a bad man wouldn't even cross her mind. She also doesn't seem like kind of the person who would want to pry into other people's business.

"You see, he and my wife were..."
*Lee looks physically upset*
"No, that's enough."

Also, as Lee puts it:

"How'd she take it?"
"She seemed more upset with Kenny than with me."

She had more pressing matters in mind.

In Kenny's case, all he cares about is his family. As long as he knows Lee wouldn't harm Duck or Katjaa, he'd be fine. Also he could, in fact, be your best bud at that point in the game. Lilly probably already got all the details she needs to know from Larry and, similar to Kenny's case, she might be your best bud at that point. She might also hate your guts and wouldn't really want to have an extended conversation with you.

i can sort of understand that kenny it the time could be buddies with lee and the most important detail would be if he was a danger to his child, but still i would just want to know what happened (that is why i replayed it choosing both of the different ways of saying you killed someone) i would have wanted an explanation like Axel gave in the TV show, just the story from Lee's side, then i can make my mind up as to whether that changes anything.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by double_u

I think it would be logical for most people to press for more info, even out of curiosity. I think TTG was probably trying to juggle how much dialogue they could put it, and decided to go with lines that aren't repetitive and show more of the character being talked to. Like CarScar said about Katjaa being more worried about Kenny. Or like Kenny more focused on making sure that his family was safe and didn't care once he knew Lee wasn't touching kids.

I think it would be logical in the normal world since murder is such an extreme occurrence, but three months into the apocalypse people don't care anymore. No one talks about their previous jobs beyond the first few episodes, most don't mention their family or anything at all that happened before the apocalypse because it just doesn't matter anymore. As Lee says in episode 3: :"Not much use in describing people by who they were". Everyone accepts that murder may become commonplace now, and they've been with Lee for three months, they know he's a good man and and know they can trust him.

It's still somewhat of a touchy subject, but it's not important enough to need further details anymore other than "I killed a guy."

[Milosuperspesh]

simple answer is it's sparing the player the gory details if they don't wish to know about it...

like if say some stupid parent/s are letting their underage kid/s play it.

[Desmodus87]

I think part of it is probably because we don't know if the murder was an accident? (I can't rightly recall if he says it's an accident or not?) I think that people who played him as a good person probably assumed that he did it for the right reasons, and by accident. But I imagine if you played him more as hard ass that you might assume that he killed out of pure hatred and anger. I guess we could've been given options like "I lost control when I found my wife with..." "I put a bastard who deserved it in the ground..." "I did what needed to be done..." or, the standard silent option, though that wouldn't really explain anything lol.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Desmodus87

I think part of it is probably because we don't know if the murder was an accident? (I can't rightly recall if he says it's an accident or not?) I think that people who played him as a good person probably assumed that he did it for the right reasons, and by accident. But I imagine if you played him more as hard ass that you might assume that he killed out of pure hatred and anger. I guess we could've been given options like "I lost control when I found my wife with..." "I put a bastard who deserved it in the ground..." "I did what needed to be done..." or, the standard silent option, though that wouldn't really explain anything lol.

Lee says it was an accident when talking to Carley during the first trip to the St. Johns' farm in episode 2. I assume he didn't want to kill anyone but couldn't control his anger when finding out that his wife was unfaithful, and before he realized what happened he had killed the guy.

[cnaf]

I'm with Mornai- it's not as relevant anymore. I mean, I was attached to Carley, and when Lilly killed her I didn't leave her on the side of the road. Why? Because we are in a new crazy situation and I need as many able bodies as I can find.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by cnaf

I'm with Mornai- it's not as relevant anymore. I mean, I was attached to Carley, and when Lilly killed her I didn't leave her on the side of the road. Why? Because we are in a new crazy situation and I need as many able bodies as I can find.

No, if I might say that isn't what mornai meant. I could be wrong though. From what I could gather he means that noone cares about lee's past because it was the PAST. They've known him for months now and have come to trust him. Kenny states he doesn't care about what you did before, that they have to look forward. It did not mean what the apocalypse had turned them into. Lilly murders Carley/Doug in cold blood. The apocalypse was no excuse for it, and everyone loses trust in her for it. Many people left her on the road. People don't care about lees past because they didnt know him then

[cnaf]

Mornai said, "three months into the apocalypse people don't care anymore"...and while in the normal world murder is a big deal- nothing is normal anymore. That is how I felt about it...everything has gone to sh!t and after hanging out with a person for three months killing the walking dead together, i'm not so worried about what he did in the real world. I've already come to my conclusion of who the person is.

Kinda like the walking dead tv show- you had inmates that migrated into the Rick camp- its been a while now and it was only last week that you had one of the inmates talking to Carol about what he was in for. The question hadn't even come up until that point, despite the fact everyone in Ricks camp was well aware he was an inmate.

[darknessofheart]

I don't think I did a good enough job explaining my question in the correct context: While I understand the theme Telltale was conveying in that everyone did not care what Lee did before, it was very clear that Lee was incredibly apprehensive of telling anyone in the first place. Obviously, Lee was afraid they would care and would mistrust him because of it. So with that in mind, I found it odd that Lee choose to keep the circumstances of the murder to himself when they really do rationalize it; it would loosen his fears a bit in case anyone thought the murder was an accessory to another crime such as robbery, rape, extortion, ect.

Lee says it was an accident in a dialogue option with Carley in episode 2, so I think everyone would understand it much more had he told them that it was basically a crime of passion that ended on an accidental basis. Again, I understand no one cared in the end and that it was all part of a theme in the episode, but I just found Lee's logic and train of a thought a bit broken before he saw how people reacted, especially since he proved to be a highly intelligent and insightful person.

I understand that Lee is a story element and that realistic factors do not always have to apply to the story to make it an enjoyable experience, but the game did such an amazing job of conveying real situations, emotions, and conversational interaction, despite it being about a ZA, that it really stood out to me that Lee wouldn't tell people the most rational aspects of his crime.