How about someone like Ben as a new Protagonist?

[Mark$man]

Or maybe like Ash Ketchum, where the PC gets dumber and dumber as the story progresses xD

[AnnaSan]

Someone like Ben? Hmm, we'll most likely be dead by the end of the episode x)

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by AnnaSan

Someone like Ben? Hmm, we'll most likely be dead by the end of the episode x)

^Ice for that burn? lol Ben killer!

[Ctn04132]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

Or maybe like Ash Ketchum, where the PC gets dumber and dumber as the story progresses xD

and stays 10 years old forever? LOL

[Mark$man]

^hell yeah!

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

instead of the silent option you always have the choice to say "my dad was special forces"

Originally Posted by Mark$man

^hell yeah!

Everytime he meets someone new he fucks it up and they end up leaving xP

[anonymau5]

Every choice would be like a Duck/Shawn choice. No matter what you choose you can't save Shawn. And in the fourth game you an NPC gets an option to save you.

[CarScar]

"Oh god, I've been bitten! Ben 2.0, you have to cut off my arm before the infection spreads!"

Press Y to: cut off his leg
Press X to: faint
Press B to: run away
Press A to: ...

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by CarScar

"Oh god, I've been bitten! Ben 2.0, you have to cut off my arm before the infection spreads!"

Press Y to: cut off his leg
Press X to: faint
Press B to: run away
Press A to: cut off wrong arm

Fixed.

On topic, I know this started as somewhat of a joke, it would be interesting playing as someone meeker and more vulnerable next season. Lee was both strong and fairly smart so his well being wasn't a big issue through most of the game, it was generally other people you were worried about. It's probably most obvious with the food decision in episode two where keeping a piece of food for Lee was the least picked option, probably because we all knew how strong could be. Imagine if you played as someone too weak to fight back without food. It'd make choices like that a lot harder.

It could maybe even work as a bit of role reversal from the parental theme in the first season. Instead of a parental figure you might play as a relatively child like figure who needs help from people and is resented by others for it. It'd be tricky, but if done right it might make for quite the unique experience.

[Mark$man]

Hmm I'd like to play as a young character, maybe low teens, but still fairly reliable. The kinda child that reads on this kinda stuff (nerdy I suppose) but is handy. They aren't strong, but they aren't weak. They aren't smart, but aren't dumb. They aren't always friendly, but aren't hostile. Fairly in the middle. But should be caring of others, like Clem and is adaptive to the situation, a character that can improvise depending on the task at hand, maybe even more so than Lee (so we can make that amputation in time god damnit!) Female or male doesn't matter to me, it'd be interesting either way. I'd say start the character off with a bad note, and have people hate him/her, and kind of baby him/her, and the character will have to go through other experiences and become an even better survivalist, and later be faced with a very difficult problem (a walker horde, an attack from another group, a surrounded situation, etc.) where your character, depending on the ways you handled previous problems and trained yourself, can either go BADASS and prove that you are not a child, but as Chuck had said, you are ALIVE. Maybe at the end go from the follower to one of the primary leaders, using your wit, your newfound strength, your acquired skills, and your ability to improvise and strategize to keep your group alive. I'm not saying have a teenager lead mid-aged adults, but becoming a leader in a sense like Glenn of the show. Not be the central leader, but someone who can step up when needed and take charge and be someone that the group looks up to.

Either that or your character absolutely fails and gets many of your group killed, becoming a liability to the group and maybe a detriment for awhile after. Maybe be able to prove yourself later on, but never be what you would have in the first choice.

Or maybe a third option where you failed in decision making, and preparing yourself for the hardships to come, you aren't able to kill walkers when they attack your friends, are overpowered by a walker and get seperated by the group, and by the end are killed by a horde. Maybe just before sacrifice yourself to allow others to escape survive, seeing that you made it back briefly.

I wouldn't like a Ben character, like seriously by the end I'd hope suicide was an option. But this I think would be pretty cool, and would allow for a branched story. Or if Telltale couldn't do that, have those you save if you are the better version get killed off in unsavable situations (like Ben). Then you'd still have the same arc. Then your character could disappear instead of die. Your fate unknown :P

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Jaded X Gamer

Fixed.

On topic, I know this started as somewhat of a joke, it would be interesting playing as someone meeker and more vulnerable next season. Lee was both strong and fairly smart so his well being wasn't a big issue through most of the game, it was generally other people you were worried about. It's probably most obvious with the food decision in episode two where keeping a piece of food for Lee was the least picked option, probably because we all knew how strong could be. Imagine if you played as someone too weak to fight back without food. It'd make choices like that a lot harder.

It could maybe even work as a bit of role reversal from the parental theme in the first season. Instead of a parental figure you might play as a relatively child like figure who needs help from people and is resented by others for it. It'd be tricky, but if done right it might make for quite the unique experience.

Hilarious!

[Jaded X Gamer]

As long as we're on the subject of Ben, did anyone love the scene of everybody coming back to find the boat was gone and Ben was still there? Unless you bring everyone but Ben, you know that the boat gets taken no matter what, but if Ben is the only one who stayed behind, he just looks sad because he knows how bad the image of him standing in front of the empty garage must look.

[Milosuperspesh]

Originally Posted by CarScar

Press Y to: cut off his leg
Press X to: faint
Press B to: run away
Press A to: cut his stupid head off.

well i'd give it a miss (if it was free then yeah i'd play it) but i hAtE ben so much..

if they did that the game would be funny for the first few times but then it'll be lame, boring and dumb.

if we know going in he/she going to be a total retard, it removes the mystery..

and in some way i don't think it'll do ttg 'street cred' any good either..considering all the complaints people threw out of their prams about the first season.

why go from a serious dark game and turn it into a clown show with walkers ?

[Desmodus87]

Originally Posted by Milosuperspesh

well i'd give it a miss (if it was free then yeah i'd play it) but i hAtE ben so much..

if they did that the game would be funny for the first few times but then it'll be lame, boring and dumb.

if we know going in he/she going to be a total retard, it removes the mystery..

and in some way i don't think it'll do ttg 'street cred' any good either..considering all the complaints people threw out of their prams about the first season.

why go from a serious dark game and turn it into a clown show with walkers ?

Aw, c'mon now. I can't be the only person on this thread that liked Ben! lol I admit, he fucked up a lot, a LOT, and me and the hubby had a disagreement on the issue. (I think I actually guilted him into saving Ben on accident lol.) He was a kid in a society that told him he was a kid. The ZA hit and he was a good kid with absolutely no preparation whatsoever.
I get that months passed and that he was a coward, but I think he was trying to find out what it was to be a man, in a group where he was still treated like a kid (through his own doing), where he felt resented and unwelcomed.
I also saw the value (and this sounds bad and probably is bad, but it's true) in having a boy around Clem's age. Give them a few years. She's 15 and he's ...what? 24-ish? Not at all kosher nowadays, but in the ZA, finding yourself a mate is going to be difficult. It would be a lot less disturbing than say, Lee or Kenny (or someone in that age group) dating her.

I hope for a younger character like Ben, but with balls, even if she's a chick. lmao

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Desmodus87

Aw, c'mon now. I can't be the only person on this thread that liked Ben! lol I admit, he fucked up a lot, a LOT, and me and the hubby had a disagreement on the issue. (I think I actually guilted him into saving Ben on accident lol.) He was a kid in a society that told him he was a kid. The ZA hit and he was a good kid with absolutely no preparation whatsoever.
I get that months passed and that he was a coward, but I think he was trying to find out what it was to be a man, in a group where he was still treated like a kid (through his own doing), where he felt resented and unwelcomed.
I also saw the value (and this sounds bad and probably is bad, but it's true) in having a boy around Clem's age. Give them a few years. She's 15 and he's ...what? 24-ish? Not at all kosher nowadays, but in the ZA, finding yourself a mate is going to be difficult. It would be a lot less disturbing than say, Lee or Kenny (or someone in that age group) dating her.

I hope for a younger character like Ben, but with balls, even if she's a chick. lmao

I think forum regulars know I hate Ben.

For me, the "he's just a kid" argument doesn't fly. He's seen crazy crap at the gymnasium when Jenny went walker on them, his camp raided by bandits, his teacher's leg get chopped off as walkers swarmed them, cannibals at a farm, etc. Just how much more does a person need to toughen up?

Fact of the matter is, no one was prepared for a ZA. Sure, some would cope better than others like trained soldiers who still have to watch their own buddies turn. But in a universe where zombies don't even exist in their fiction, a lot of people are basically starting at the same spot. Heck, any sort of collapse of civilization is a new experience for pretty much anyone living in the First World. In other words, Ben isn't some special snowflake.

I also hate Ben's whining about how he doesn't know what happened to his parents, and therefore he was allowed to be an emo-screw up. Guess what? So did others. For instance, Carley didn't know what happened to her family and she was one the most stable and valuable members of the group. When Ben snapped at Kenny at Savannah, I wanted to slap him in the face.

And Ben ain't a little kid. If he wanted to improve himself and prove that he could be useful, maybe he could ask for help back at the motor inn. Ask Lee or Kenny for advice. Ask Carley to teach him how to shoot. He has to take some responsibility.

And to betray the people that saved your life by giving the bandits supplies? Unforgivable.

My final assessment of Ben is that he is an incompetent coward and a leech. He's willing to live off the group but incapable and often unwilling to give back.

As for your comment about Clem and Ben being, um, mates...yeah, just no. I'm not gonna touch this one.

[Mark$man]

I liked Ben to an extent, and I knew how he felt. He wasn't reliable, but he was a person nonetheless. I saved his life in ep4, and it sucked he died in ep5. As for being a mate to Clem... Wtf? Just... What? Noooooooo. He nearly got her killed like twice, and let her run off many times over when he was supposed to watch her. At the very end of ep 4 is where I wanted to strangle him for letting Clem walk off. I'd have rather had Duck be in a relationship with Clem, and I hated that kid for being annoying. I didn't dislike him as much as most, but I mean the kid can get on your nerves. But I like him much more than Ben, and he was even more useful.

[Hudomonkey]

I don't want to play someone who is basically me in a Zombie apocalypse...

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by double_u

And to betray the people that saved your life by giving the bandits supplies? Unforgivable.

Really? So, lemme ask you? Does that mean you didn't forgive Clementine for doing almost exactly the same thing? She betrayed an entire group of people who had been taking care of her for months because a mystery man on her radio, whom she knows nothing about, claims to have her parents (but offers no proof), so she decides to run off with him when Lee says there isn't time to look for her parents and almost everyone dies in the process of saving her from an obvious kidnapper.

And I never get tired of Ben telling Kenny off. The man had become almost as bad as Lilly for a while. He wanted to ditch Omid after he was injured getting rid of the tanker that blocked the way. He wants to ditch Molly after she saved his life. If you don't "have his back" he'll want to ditch Lee too and by extension Clementine. For me it's always worth it to drag the kid along just because he finally helps Kenny realize he's not the only one suffering from this.

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Jaded X Gamer

Really? So, lemme ask you? Does that mean you didn't forgive Clementine for doing almost exactly the same thing? She betrayed an entire group of people who had been taking care of her for months because a mystery man on her radio, whom she knows nothing about, claims to have her parents (but offers no proof), so she decides to run off with him when Lee says there isn't time to look for her parents and almost everyone dies in the process of saving her from an obvious kidnapper.

Are you comparing the mindset of Clem and Ben? Why?

Did I feel betrayed? Yes. Did I forgive her? Yes. Comparing Ben and Clem doesn't work, because unlike Ben, Clem is actually a child-a first grader- whose psychology hasn't reached the level of maturity to completely understand her actions.

Just because an action is similar does not make their mentality similar.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by double_u

Are you comparing the mindset of Clem and Ben? Why?

Did I feel betrayed? Yes. Did I forgive her? Yes. Comparing Ben and Clem doesn't work, because unlike Ben, Clem is actually a child-a first grader- whose psychology hasn't reached the level of maturity to completely understand her actions.

Just because an action is similar does not make their mentality similar.

You're the one who said the "jut a kid argument" didn't fly for Ben because he had already seen so much fucked up shit. But it flies for Clementine because she's younger, even though she's seen and understands pretty much all the same shit Ben has and demonstrates a level of mental maturity close to if not greater than Ben?

Their "mentality" was the same. Someone clearly not trustworthy tells them they have their loved one and they did something really stupid because their desire to save the people they care most about overwrote their common sense (albeit in Ben's case he probably didn't have a lot of that to begin with). Clementine understood what she did was wrong afterwards. I know because when you get her back she says the exact same thing Ben said after the bandit raid.

"I'm sorry."

As far as I'm concerned, Ben and Clem were both kids who needed protecting and a good parental figure to guide them. The biggest difference was Clem had a good guardian with Lee, Ben was mostly on his own.