Telltale Games

HoppyDragon · 06/05/2009, 11:05 am

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Originally Posted by NickTTG

Just got some programmer time allotted to this. Can't believe we didn't think of this

Thanks, I'll be coming down to Telltale HQ and throwing bags of money at the front door to the building shortly.

t_a_o · 06/05/2009, 08:38 pm

I guess there's a long way to go, before Telltale can do what Frogwares did with their Sherlock Holmes games to please their fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0JV...eature=related

Secret Fawful · 06/05/2009, 09:05 pm

I actually really like what Frogwares did with their original control scheme. It was really unique and immersive. Being able to walk around a fully realized 3D world and still explore adventure game style. Another game that did this to perfection (until it turned into an FPS half way through) was this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNUeDhRYDNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AT8qPanImk

As you can see, the game oozes atmosphere. The entire first half is purely adventure and puzzles. I'm not saying that this would work for Monkey Island, but for this game and the Awakened, it was a fantastic leap forward for adventure gaming. Too bad both are so little known the idea didn't take hold.

LuigiHann · 06/05/2009, 09:09 pm

The one thing that really bugged me with The Awakened was that the switch between playing as Holmes and then playing as Watson was very abrupt and, in first person, confusing. But that's neither here nor there.

taumel · 06/05/2009, 09:24 pm

Btw one general note on keyboards. Dunno if this has been mentioned already but you should be aware of that there do exist different keyboard layouts, such as QWERTY and QWERTZ. I was quite surprised when i was playing some Strong Bad at a friends place to see that you mapped gaming controls to keys like X and Z without taking care of this.

On a german QWERTZ keyboard steering in the minigames becomes a bit cumbersome due to this. You should use the key Y instead of Z or just move it one key to the right and use X and C unless you want people to practice some special Kung Fu.

Shale · 06/05/2009, 10:22 pm

Switching the function from Y to Z just means it's the QWERTY users who get annoyed instead of QWERTZ. Better to have it on both, use a key that doesn't move between layouts, or just make it customizable.

Joe Newberry · 06/05/2009, 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Shale

Switching the function from Y to Z just means it's the QWERTY users who get annoyed instead of QWERTZ. Better to have it on both, use a key that doesn't move between layouts, or just make it customizable.

Yep, better to provide a way to map your own keys, rather than pick just two schemes.

taumel · 06/05/2009, 10:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Shale

Switching the function from Y to Z just means it's the QWERTY users who get annoyed instead of QWERTZ. Better to have it on both, use a key that doesn't move between layouts, or just make it customizable.

Ahm, obviously i only suggested switching Z and Y for the QWERTZ layout if similar cases should arise.

Abel · 06/06/2009, 12:40 am

Hey Guys,
just wanted to say that I really like the controls of W&G. I hated the MI4 controls though, but were suprised by W&G how good keyboard and mouse can work together. After a minute it all worked intuitionally. Also wouldn't mind if it will be PnC, but really can't understand what is so difficult about the W&G controls.

*DjNDB* · 06/06/2009, 02:01 am

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Originally Posted by Abel

Also wouldn't mind if it will be PnC, but really can't understand what is so difficult about the W&G controls.

In S&M controls are like a Banana. In W&G they are more like a Coconut.
It is obvious, that Monkey Island should have Banana controls

homerjs · 06/06/2009, 05:33 am

controlling the game just with the mouse is way more relaxing than having to use both hands. i want to relax when i play adventuregames

please make it just point n click =)

Shmeh · 06/06/2009, 08:15 am

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Originally Posted by Armakuni

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Originally Posted by HoppyDragon

I won't buy Tales of Monkey Island unless I'm required to interface with the game by way of a used banana peel and two sporks. While wearing a feathered hat.

I'd settle for a mouse

Mouse controls are totally unintuitive. The squeaking noises that the device makes is quite distracting and the mouse keeps running off the table when i loosen my grip.

Armakuni · 06/06/2009, 08:25 am

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Kraken · 06/06/2009, 10:39 am

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Originally Posted by NickTTG

Just got some programmer time allotted to this. Can't believe we didn't think of this

However! Does any possibly improved version have to wait for a next series/season, or do you possibly have time to tweak it still? I understand you have deadlines to meet, and making big changes can be a challenge at this point (and there would have to be plan how to change it). However as unrealistic as it might be, I do hope you have time and some ideas how to tweak this further.

onemanandhisdroid · 06/08/2009, 02:45 am

Just played the Wallace And Gromit demo to go take a look what this could look like. Yeah, I know, it's not going to be just this game's controls being brought to Monkey Island. Or Melee. Or Plunder. And wherever else.

I must say that I wish there was a wide range of Gamepad support. At least mine doesn't seem to work. I hope it would for TOMI, as it's really a nice change to be allowed to sit back in your chair and play from there.

PS: The music was way too loud in that demo, at times it's hard to make heads and tails off the voice-overs. Sadly there's only a single volume setting that adjusts everything, from voice overs, the absolutely cool brass style music and bees' humming. But that's something for a different thread entirelly. I'll shut up now.

Chrisse · 06/08/2009, 03:34 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

I actually really like what Frogwares did with their original control scheme. It was really unique and immersive. Being able to walk around a fully realized 3D world and still explore adventure game style. Another game that did this to perfection (until it turned into an FPS half way through) was this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNUeDhRYDNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AT8qPanImk

As you can see, the game oozes atmosphere. The entire first half is purely adventure and puzzles. I'm not saying that this would work for Monkey Island, but for this game and the Awakened, it was a fantastic leap forward for adventure gaming. Too bad both are so little known the idea didn't take hold.

Access software had first person in their Tex Murphy series from -94. So it is not totally unique.

Onno · 06/09/2009, 04:19 am

Just wanted to voice my concerns and, like many others, also state that I prefer Point-and-click over having to use the keyboard.

I was curious what TTG has come up with though, so I played through the WG demo yesterday and it just didn't feel right to me. Sam and Max feels much more natural. The switching of camera-angels (biggest reason for not implementing Point-and-click?) is actually rather annoying to me. Every couple of steps you walk through the garden you skip to a new angle.

And while the animation is absolutely fantastic in that game, the controls bother me so much that I wouldn't buy the game because it is simply not fun to play for me anymore and the reason I play games is to have fun.

I've seen people on this forum claim that graphics are not important and I've seen people on this forum claim that controls are not important. Yet, I've only even known two terms to describe these kind of adventure-games in the past: "Point and click adventures" and "Graphics Adventures". In my mind the graphics and controls are the defining elements of a good adventure game, along with a good story and plenty of jokes.

I also don't see why point-and-click wouldn't work. During the WG demo I often clicked on an empty area, hoping the character would walk over. It would have worked just as well (better even!) than guiding him there using the keyboard controls. On top of that, a double-click on any exit like CMI has, can really speed up the game. It's boring to have to wait for your character to reach the other end of the screen.

I already pre-ordered TMI to support the effort and I'm looking forward to its release. But I'm afraid it will be the same experience as EMI for me. The atmosphere and 'character' is out of the game because of the 3D graphics and the fun is out of it because of the cumbersome controls.

I could never make myself play EMI for more than half an hour and I never finished it while I could still play MI 1-3 for hours on end. As a matter of fact I played through all of CMI again last weekend after I heard the news of the MI-revival.

Rubarack · 06/09/2009, 11:46 pm

Ugh, keyboard and mouse. I can't see why Telltale can't just man up and admit that this was a mistake, it was an experiment in W&G that didn't work, but it was a learning experience and they can move on to fix something that actually needs changing. Why go and ruin it for Monkey Island of all things? It's like they're sacrificing one sacred cow with another.

fatjoem · 06/10/2009, 03:43 am

There is nothing to complain about. EoMI had keyboard only controls, ToMI has keyboard+mouse controls. So, in a way, it is an improvement to the previous monkey island game.

I agree that mouse-only controls are the most player-friendly and most fun way to play adventure games (for PC players that is). And I am sure, Telltale knows this also. Though I am ok with their decision to make this game keyboard+mouse in order to make the game playable on consoles. It is still better than in the previous monkey island game.

MusicallyInspired · 06/10/2009, 08:03 am

I have decided that henceforth I will no longer read this thread as it continuously aggravates me.

Just thought you all should know.

06/05/2009, 09:09 pm	#404
LuigiHann Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,656	The one thing that really bugged me with The Awakened was that the switch between playing as Holmes and then playing as Watson was very abrupt and, in first person, confusing. But that's neither here nor there. __________________ "I think it's the idea that counts, not the actual method. As long as you set out to cause a horrible death through insects eating the person, you're good." - apenpaap

06/05/2009, 09:24 pm	#405
taumel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,654	Btw one general note on keyboards. Dunno if this has been mentioned already but you should be aware of that there do exist different keyboard layouts, such as QWERTY and QWERTZ. I was quite surprised when i was playing some Strong Bad at a friends place to see that you mapped gaming controls to keys like X and Z without taking care of this. On a german QWERTZ keyboard steering in the minigames becomes a bit cumbersome due to this. You should use the key Y instead of Z or just move it one key to the right and use X and C unless you want people to practice some special Kung Fu. Last edited by taumel; 06/05/2009 at 09:39 pm.

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06/05/2009, 08:38 pm	#402
t_a_o Caffeine Queen Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 108	I guess there's a long way to go, before Telltale can do what Frogwares did with their Sherlock Holmes games to please their fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0JV...eature=related

06/05/2009, 09:05 pm	#403
Secret Fawful Fearless Oathbreaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stuck In This Pose Sexiness: Off The Charts! Posts: 5,119	I actually really like what Frogwares did with their original control scheme. It was really unique and immersive. Being able to walk around a fully realized 3D world and still explore adventure game style. Another game that did this to perfection (until it turned into an FPS half way through) was this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNUeDhRYDNk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AT8qPanImk As you can see, the game oozes atmosphere. The entire first half is purely adventure and puzzles. I'm not saying that this would work for Monkey Island, but for this game and the Awakened, it was a fantastic leap forward for adventure gaming. Too bad both are so little known the idea didn't take hold.

06/05/2009, 10:22 pm	#406
Shale Mitey pirate™! Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 178	Switching the function from Y to Z just means it's the QWERTY users who get annoyed instead of QWERTZ. Better to have it on both, use a key that doesn't move between layouts, or just make it customizable.

06/06/2009, 12:40 am	#409
Abel I want to be a pirate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 95	Hey Guys, just wanted to say that I really like the controls of W&G. I hated the MI4 controls though, but were suprised by W&G how good keyboard and mouse can work together. After a minute it all worked intuitionally. Also wouldn't mind if it will be PnC, but really can't understand what is so difficult about the W&G controls.

06/06/2009, 05:33 am	#411
homerjs Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 17	controlling the game just with the mouse is way more relaxing than having to use both hands. i want to relax when i play adventuregames please make it just point n click =)

06/06/2009, 08:25 am	#413
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06/08/2009, 02:45 am	#415
onemanandhisdroid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 128	Just played the Wallace And Gromit demo to go take a look what this could look like. Yeah, I know, it's not going to be just this game's controls being brought to Monkey Island. Or Melee. Or Plunder. And wherever else. I must say that I wish there was a wide range of Gamepad support. At least mine doesn't seem to work. I hope it would for TOMI, as it's really a nice change to be allowed to sit back in your chair and play from there. PS: The music was way too loud in that demo, at times it's hard to make heads and tails off the voice-overs. Sadly there's only a single volume setting that adjusts everything, from voice overs, the absolutely cool brass style music and bees' humming. But that's something for a different thread entirelly. I'll shut up now.

06/09/2009, 04:19 am	#417
Onno Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8	Just wanted to voice my concerns and, like many others, also state that I prefer Point-and-click over having to use the keyboard. I was curious what TTG has come up with though, so I played through the WG demo yesterday and it just didn't feel right to me. Sam and Max feels much more natural. The switching of camera-angels (biggest reason for not implementing Point-and-click?) is actually rather annoying to me. Every couple of steps you walk through the garden you skip to a new angle. And while the animation is absolutely fantastic in that game, the controls bother me so much that I wouldn't buy the game because it is simply not fun to play for me anymore and the reason I play games is to have fun. I've seen people on this forum claim that graphics are not important and I've seen people on this forum claim that controls are not important. Yet, I've only even known two terms to describe these kind of adventure-games in the past: "Point and click adventures" and "Graphics Adventures". In my mind the graphics and controls are the defining elements of a good adventure game, along with a good story and plenty of jokes. I also don't see why point-and-click wouldn't work. During the WG demo I often clicked on an empty area, hoping the character would walk over. It would have worked just as well (better even!) than guiding him there using the keyboard controls. On top of that, a double-click on any exit like CMI has, can really speed up the game. It's boring to have to wait for your character to reach the other end of the screen. I already pre-ordered TMI to support the effort and I'm looking forward to its release. But I'm afraid it will be the same experience as EMI for me. The atmosphere and 'character' is out of the game because of the 3D graphics and the fun is out of it because of the cumbersome controls. I could never make myself play EMI for more than half an hour and I never finished it while I could still play MI 1-3 for hours on end. As a matter of fact I played through all of CMI again last weekend after I heard the news of the MI-revival.

06/09/2009, 11:46 pm	#418
Rubarack Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 96	Ugh, keyboard and mouse. I can't see why Telltale can't just man up and admit that this was a mistake, it was an experiment in W&G that didn't work, but it was a learning experience and they can move on to fix something that actually needs changing. Why go and ruin it for Monkey Island of all things? It's like they're sacrificing one sacred cow with another.

06/10/2009, 03:43 am	#419
fatjoem Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 30	There is nothing to complain about. EoMI had keyboard only controls, ToMI has keyboard+mouse controls. So, in a way, it is an improvement to the previous monkey island game. I agree that mouse-only controls are the most player-friendly and most fun way to play adventure games (for PC players that is). And I am sure, Telltale knows this also. Though I am ok with their decision to make this game keyboard+mouse in order to make the game playable on consoles. It is still better than in the previous monkey island game.