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threepcross · 07/07/2009, 05:11 pm

the multiple dialogue choices are usually really funny... too bad it has NO relevance what you choose, because Guybrush will always say something else!

what have you done!? you have completely ruined the MI style of dialogue that is so central to the game. I would go as far as calling it one of the most important things with the whole series. and in Tales of Monkey Island, it is a joke. sometimes there are no choices at all. the dialogue goes on without you having a say at all. and when you have choices - they are usually pretty funny - but why bother choosing any, when Guybrush will just say something unfunny anyway? this is ridiculous.

really disappointing! this takes away so much of the joy for me. I'm really almost heartbroken here... you have taken one of my absolute favourite elements of the Monkey Island series and made it a cosmetic gimmick that serves no purpose.

oh well, alt-tabbing back to the game now. I just hope the other stuff weigh up to this catastrophy.

nadir · 07/07/2009, 05:34 pm

I didnt like the idea initally when I encountered it in Sam & Max, but ultimately it's good in the sense that I don't laugh at what the character is going to say before the voice actor has said it. It's always a pleasant surprise for me.

ElaineMarleyThreepwood · 07/07/2009, 05:35 pm

I agree with Nadir. While it's not exactly what's on the choice, it usually carries the same idea to it.

Zeik56 · 07/07/2009, 05:38 pm

Is this a serious topic? Really? You're actually suggesting that what made Monkey Island's dialogue great was that they would repeat the exact line you just read?

I much prefer this set up. It gets extremely redundant when they just keep repeating the exact same line that you just finished reading.

lhnz · 07/07/2009, 05:40 pm

You are over-reacting, but I agree to some extent. I've not played far, but when I arrived on the beach it really pissed me off...

There are certainly times when the effect is a good idea however. For example, if guybrush thinks something rude and then doesn't want to hurt the other character so says something nice to them instead... In that case it fulfils a comedic purpose.

But, yeah. You're over-reacting... Most of the dialogue hasn't been like this tbh.

Scapetti · 07/07/2009, 05:41 pm

On the contrary, I think it is the best part of the game so far. But hey, each to their own I guess...

fire2box · 07/07/2009, 05:45 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeik56

Is this a serious topic? Really? You're actually suggesting that what made Monkey Island's dialogue great was that they would repeat the exact line you just read?

I much prefer this set up. It gets extremely redundant when they just keep repeating the exact same line that you just finished reading.

what if you wanted to say something but something completly diffrent came out of your mouth? such as you just agreed fully with what the TC said, would that be fun?

what if MI3 was the same way such as

Guybrush meets Murray the talking skull and you pick the line "you look as fearsome as a door stop" then guybrush says something much less witty and even worse something diffrent all together that has nothing to do with the line you picked at all.

xChri5x · 07/07/2009, 05:47 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by threepcross

the multiple dialogue choices are usually really funny... Too bad it has no relevance what you choose, because guybrush will always say something else!

What have you done!? You have completely ruined the mi style of dialogue that is so central to the game. I would go as far as calling it one of the most important things with the whole series. And in tales of monkey island, it is a joke. Sometimes there are no choices at all. The dialogue goes on without you having a say at all. And when you have choices - they are usually pretty funny - but why bother choosing any, when guybrush will just say something unfunny anyway? This is ridiculous.

Really disappointing! This takes away so much of the joy for me. I'm really almost heartbroken here... You have taken one of my absolute favourite elements of the monkey island series and made it a cosmetic gimmick that serves no purpose.

Oh well, alt-tabbing back to the game now. I just hope the other stuff weigh up to this catastrophy.

lol, wow

threepcross · 07/07/2009, 05:48 pm

I think it's atrocious the way much of the dialogue is carried out without any interacting from the player as well. like you may choose one thing, then there will be an exchanging of five lines each between Guyrbush and and the npc you're talking to.

no interacting makes me feel like I have no control and that I'm not even playing as much as I am just watching a dialogue being carried out like on a movie.

xChri5x · 07/07/2009, 05:52 pm

Maybe if you just played the game without exiting out of it every five minutes to moan and complain about it on the forums, you'd get a more interactive experience.

Zeik56 · 07/07/2009, 05:52 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fire2box

what if you wanted to say something but something completly diffrent came out of your mouth? such as you just agreed fully with what the TC said, would that be fun?

...Well since I'm not a video game that would probably be cause for concern. But seeing as this is a video game, and does not function like real life, these really aren't comparable circumstances.

Redundancy in a joke is really bad in a game like this. The joke often loses much of it's impact when you essentially here it repeated twice. I definitely prefer the idea of lines giving you an idea of what you're going to say, you possibly laugh at the line, and then the character says something along those lines, and possibly have a whole new line to enjoy. Even if the new line isn't always quite as funny, it's much better than redundancy that ruins the joke.

threepcross · 07/07/2009, 05:53 pm

thank you for your contribution, xChri5x. also I am done playing it for now. it's 4am and I gotta get up early. am looking forward to (hopefully) finishing the game tomorrow. most aspects of it is really good.

icedan · 07/07/2009, 05:56 pm

While I have not had a chance yet to play the game, I do agree with the OP to a certain extent. Sometimes I pick the insulting lines just to see the reaction/effect. If it's true that Guybrush is changing the lines to be more polite or whatever, then the game suddenly becomes quite linear.

There are certain small things that make Monkey Island what it is and this is one of them. Removing it is like removing grog.

icedan · 07/07/2009, 05:57 pm

This forum has an echo... cool

threepcross · 07/07/2009, 05:57 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeik56

I definitely prefer the idea of lines giving you an idea of what you're going to say, you possibly laugh at the line, and then the character says something along those lines, and possibly have a whole new line to enjoy.

if this was the case at all times, I would probably be happy. but I find that way too many times he just says something "regular" and "un-Guybrush". especially when talking to Nipperkin.

anyway I wholeheartedly agree with icedan about it making the game linear.

Scapetti · 07/07/2009, 06:02 pm

Telltale! Please don't listen to these guys

I don't want this game to change in future chapters!

icedan · 07/07/2009, 06:05 pm

Of course, thinking about it more, you have to admit, if they added audio for each line, plus the replies to that line, you're going to end up with a 500mb file to download.

Mataku · 07/07/2009, 06:11 pm

called it :P

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...ead.php?t=9214

Ad Hominem · 07/07/2009, 06:25 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icedan

While I have not had a chance yet to play the game, I do agree with the OP to a certain extent. Sometimes I pick the insulting lines just to see the reaction/effect. If it's true that Guybrush is changing the lines to be more polite or whatever, then the game suddenly becomes quite linear.

There are certain small things that make Monkey Island what it is and this is one of them. Removing it is like removing grog.

Yeah, the parts with Nipperkin are quite awkward.

You'll literally get four or five options for what you can say to him in the situation, but it doesn't change how the scene plays out.

Just for a quick example:
"Hello Creepwood. Nice to meet you. I'm Nipperkin!"
(Potential Responses)
A. I need to go, I need to find my wife!
B. I need to go, I need to stop LeChuck!
C. I need to go, I need to get back to my monkeys!
Now, regardless of which option you choose, he says
"I need to go rescue my wife."

And, this sort of thing happens four or five times in a row. I mean, the dialogue options are funny, but since he always chooses one of the options, not even the general idea, it's rather idiotic.

CuriosTiger · 07/07/2009, 06:29 pm

I certainly liked the original MI dialog style better. In the original games, there were a couple of occasions where Guybrush said something other than what you'd expected, and that added comic effect.

When you do it in EVERY DIALOG, the comic effect is lost.

When, on top of that, making different choices doesn't even alter WHAT Guybrush is saying, offering the choices at all seems completely pointless.

07/07/2009, 05:11 pm	#1
threepcross Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137	you have ruined the MI style of dialogue the multiple dialogue choices are usually really funny... too bad it has NO relevance what you choose, because Guybrush will always say something else! what have you done!? you have completely ruined the MI style of dialogue that is so central to the game. I would go as far as calling it one of the most important things with the whole series. and in Tales of Monkey Island, it is a joke. sometimes there are no choices at all. the dialogue goes on without you having a say at all. and when you have choices - they are usually pretty funny - but why bother choosing any, when Guybrush will just say something unfunny anyway? this is ridiculous. really disappointing! this takes away so much of the joy for me. I'm really almost heartbroken here... you have taken one of my absolute favourite elements of the Monkey Island series and made it a cosmetic gimmick that serves no purpose. oh well, alt-tabbing back to the game now. I just hope the other stuff weigh up to this catastrophy. Last edited by threepcross; 07/07/2009 at 05:15 pm.

07/07/2009, 05:34 pm	#2
nadir Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 70	I didnt like the idea initally when I encountered it in Sam & Max, but ultimately it's good in the sense that I don't laugh at what the character is going to say before the voice actor has said it. It's always a pleasant surprise for me. Last edited by nadir; 07/07/2009 at 06:46 pm.

07/07/2009, 05:35 pm	#3
ElaineMarleyThreepwood Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 55	I agree with Nadir. While it's not exactly what's on the choice, it usually carries the same idea to it. __________________ GovThreepwood: Maybe you should go to bed as well MarkDarin: Yeah, yeah... just a few more lines of dialog to write... MarkDarin: ...And then add in some hint lines... GovThreepwood: glares at you pointedly MarkDarin: Okay, okay! MarkDarin: Good night! GovThreepwood: tucks you into bed MarkDarin: All cozy now! GovThreepwood: steals your coffee away MarkDarin: Damnit! MarkDarin: I was using that!

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07/07/2009, 05:38 pm	#4
Zeik56 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18	Is this a serious topic? Really? You're actually suggesting that what made Monkey Island's dialogue great was that they would repeat the exact line you just read? I much prefer this set up. It gets extremely redundant when they just keep repeating the exact same line that you just finished reading.

07/07/2009, 05:40 pm	#5
lhnz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 26	You are over-reacting, but I agree to some extent. I've not played far, but when I arrived on the beach it really pissed me off... There are certainly times when the effect is a good idea however. For example, if guybrush thinks something rude and then doesn't want to hurt the other character so says something nice to them instead... In that case it fulfils a comedic purpose. But, yeah. You're over-reacting... Most of the dialogue hasn't been like this tbh.

07/07/2009, 05:41 pm	#6
Scapetti The Pixel Director Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberystwyth, Wales Posts: 306	On the contrary, I think it is the best part of the game so far. But hey, each to their own I guess...

07/07/2009, 05:48 pm	#9
threepcross Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137	I think it's atrocious the way much of the dialogue is carried out without any interacting from the player as well. like you may choose one thing, then there will be an exchanging of five lines each between Guyrbush and and the npc you're talking to. no interacting makes me feel like I have no control and that I'm not even playing as much as I am just watching a dialogue being carried out like on a movie.

07/07/2009, 05:52 pm	#10
xChri5x Marketplace Reality Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 1,629	Maybe if you just played the game without exiting out of it every five minutes to moan and complain about it on the forums, you'd get a more interactive experience.

07/07/2009, 05:53 pm	#12
threepcross Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137	thank you for your contribution, xChri5x. also I am done playing it for now. it's 4am and I gotta get up early. am looking forward to (hopefully) finishing the game tomorrow. most aspects of it is really good.

07/07/2009, 05:56 pm	#13
icedan The Dagger under the Rock Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 52	While I have not had a chance yet to play the game, I do agree with the OP to a certain extent. Sometimes I pick the insulting lines just to see the reaction/effect. If it's true that Guybrush is changing the lines to be more polite or whatever, then the game suddenly becomes quite linear. There are certain small things that make Monkey Island what it is and this is one of them. Removing it is like removing grog.

07/07/2009, 05:57 pm	#14
icedan The Dagger under the Rock Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 52	This forum has an echo... cool

07/07/2009, 06:02 pm	#16
Scapetti The Pixel Director Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberystwyth, Wales Posts: 306	Telltale! Please don't listen to these guys I don't want this game to change in future chapters!

07/07/2009, 06:05 pm	#17
icedan The Dagger under the Rock Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 52	Of course, thinking about it more, you have to admit, if they added audio for each line, plus the replies to that line, you're going to end up with a 500mb file to download.

07/07/2009, 06:11 pm	#18
Mataku <obscure reference here> Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 542	called it :P http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...ead.php?t=9214

07/07/2009, 06:29 pm	#20
CuriosTiger Mighty Pirate Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 58	I certainly liked the original MI dialog style better. In the original games, there were a couple of occasions where Guybrush said something other than what you'd expected, and that added comic effect. When you do it in EVERY DIALOG, the comic effect is lost. When, on top of that, making different choices doesn't even alter WHAT Guybrush is saying, offering the choices at all seems completely pointless.