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  • Maybe he manhandled her a bit to make her go with him but he didnt slap her around or anything.

  • I was wondering about that to. But it looked like she had no marks on her or anything.

  • he probably held her up with the gun and told her to go in the room or else he would kill her.

  • "Sir, you have a dirty imagination..."

    I find it kind of weird how much benefit of the doubt some people give the stranger as far as the "appropriateness" of his feelings towards Clementine, like he would never think of her that way. I would actually argue that if the stranger had been allowed to keep Clem, it would almost be inevitable that things would go in "that" direction.

    Dudes, this is a guy that completely fixated upon an 8-year-old, spent months luring her to him, ultimately abducted her and kept her in a locked room. This is also someone with no apparent means--psychological or geographical (zombie world)--to form normal adult relationships. Why the heck are people assuming he'd relate to her in an appropriate way? All evidence points to the contrary. Yes, it's possible if he'd killed Lee in that apartment, he'd make efforts to have a completely platonic "fatherly" relationship with Clem (and let's face it, he would fail miserably; the guy was completely off his rocker). But it's kind of a big leap to just assume that would be the case. I guarantee you if this exact scenario happened in real life--no matter how much speechifying the kidnapper did about how he only wanted to be a good Dad for the kidnap victim, every psychologist in the world would automatically assume otherwise.

    • Yeah but also if you noticed, he told Lee "we can have a family" ....how exactly?

    • Woah, dude, I wasn't serious. Keep in mind, this guy is fuckin crazy. (In my mind) It makes the most sense for him to not do that, because he feels that this little girl is some sort of redemption.

    • delusional psycho =/= pedophile

      Clem was meant to be a replacement goldfish for his children, not his wife. And he still seems pretty attached to the, ahem, "old bag."

      • There are real world corollaries to what the Stranger has done with Clementine, minus the zombies. I would guarantee you that in most of them there is a romantic/sexual component, no matter what the abductor claims to be his motivations. (They even often see themselves as a father figure or a "savior" for their captives.) When the group arrived in that house in Savannah and Christa started talking to Clementine about how the stranger didn't want to help her find her parents, but only wanted--and was cut off, what do you think Christa and the game writers were getting at? When the writers had Lee ask Clementine--with no visible bruises--if the stranger had hurt her, don't you think that Lee and the writers were implying things beyond simple black eyes?

        I'm not saying that anything like that happening in the short time (less than a day?) between when Clem went missing and Lee found her. I'm saying it's silly to assume that the Stranger's view of Clementine was completely pure or that someone has a "dirty imagination" by questioning the Stranger's intent, especially when the writers themselves were clearly throwing hints in that direction, starting right off the bat with the stranger's first skeevy transmission at the end of ep 3.

        • Feel free to think that the Stranger is a rapist if it makes you feel better, but don't call me silly if a say that person has a dirty imagination if he says that: "Rape doesn't leave any marks on the face." and posts a picture of a man with a lewd smile.

        • what do you think Christa and the game writers were getting at?

          The insinuation was there, sure, but that was back when we knew nothing about him. All you knew was that he was an older guy talking to a little girl and trying to convince her to meet him somewhere and so your mind naturally jumps to the whole pedophile thing. Lee also asked Clem if Chuck's candy had a "funny aftertaste." Doesn't suggest anything about Chuck, only about Lee's suspicions at the time.

          After talking to the Stranger and hearing his story, I don't see him having any sexual intentions towards Clem. He may have been off his rocker but deep down, he's just a father trying to get his children back. Assuming he didn't have any pedophilic urges before everything happened to him, I see no reason to believe that he would just randomly develop them after losing his family.

          • No, he wasn't "just a father trying to get his children back." That might be what he wanted to project and what even he has convinced himself is the truth, but you could also ask him about his wife in the bag and he'd tell you that he and her have a great loving relationship; meaning his version of things does not match reality.

            He is an adult that spent MONTHS fixated on a young girl, stalking her and eventually successfully abducting her. He can vocally say he has all the most selfless intentions in the world; but his actions reveal different things at work. It's not like I'm talking about someone with random emotional issues and ascribing unfair inferences. I'm talking about the specific character in this game and what we know about him and the actions he's already taken.

            Did he have some kind of latent issues before the apocalypse? I don't think that's a leap. Think of all the characters we met throughout the game, characters who have also lost everything. How many of them turned into the kind of person we saw in the stranger?

            The point about Chuck doesn't hold up in this case, because Lee asked Clem if the stranger hurt her AFTER he'd learned everything about him that you and I did. Whereas getting to know Chuck made us feel better about him, listening to the stranger and knowing how he's behaved--despite his claims of being altruistic--should have sent up every red flag in the world.

            "Assuming he didn't have any pedophilic urges before everything happened to him, I see no reason to believe that he would just randomly develop them after losing his family."

            At the end of the game, this is a guy who clearly cannot form normal relationships. He might've before, if we give him the benefit of the doubt, but he sure can't now. (I can't even see him WANTING to hook up with a group; he seems to have worked alone for months; and in finally getting Clem, he got all he needed in terms of companionship.) Add to that the circumstances of being holed up together with this girl he's abducted and there is a very good chance things would go in "that direction."

            I've expressed doubts about his personality before all the zombie stuff, but even if we give him that benefit of the doubt, obviously changed circumstances and opportunity alter people's behavior. It would be silly to say something like, "I don't believe sexual assault in prison happens. Just so long as the prisoners had girlfriends before and never sexually assaulted men back in the days when they were free, then surely their behavior and urges would express themselves in exactly the same way when faced with a lifetime behind bars." Another analogy: "I highly doubt that Rugby team whose plane crashed in the Andes ever resorted to cannibalism. They never ate people before the plane crash, so I see no reason to believe they'd just randomly start after the plane crash."

            • He is an adult that spent MONTHS fixated on a young girl, stalking her and eventually successfully abducting her. He can vocally say he has all the most selfless intentions in the world; but his actions reveal different things at work.

              I'm not saying he has selfless intentions, I'm saying he has non-sexual intentions. To me, his case seems to be most similar to those in which women who've had a miscarriage or lost a child decide to kidnap someone else's child to raise as their own. They also usually spend a lot of time stalking the child they plan to abduct but there's nothing sexual about it.

              The point about Chuck doesn't hold up in this case, because Lee asked Clem if the stranger hurt her AFTER he'd learned everything about him that you and I did.

              Because regardless of whether he was a pedophile or not, the guy was crazy and dangerous. Lee also asked Clem if the St. Johns hurt her after he woke up in the meat locker. That's just what you ask someone you care about if they've been around a dangerous person or situation. It doesn't mean that he thought there was anything sexual going on.

              I've expressed doubts about his personality before all the zombie stuff, but even if we give him that benefit of the doubt, obviously changed circumstances and opportunity alter people's behavior. It would be silly to say something like, "I don't believe sexual assault in prison happens. Just so long as the prisoners had girlfriends before and never sexually assaulted men back in the days when they were free, then surely their behavior and urges would express themselves in exactly the same way when faced with a lifetime behind bars." Another analogy: "I highly doubt that Rugby team whose plane crashed in the Andes ever resorted to cannibalism. They never ate people before the plane crash, so I see no reason to believe they'd just randomly start after the plane crash."

              You plane crash case is a poor example as resorting to cannibalism in that case was motivated by survival, whereas becoming a pedophile would not be. But your prison example is a valid point. However, the vast majority of prisoners don't commit prison rape and have no desire to do so, especially non-violent offenders. So it's not as though being sentenced to prison is a good predictor of your inclination to commit prison rape, any more than traumatically losing your family is a predictor of pedophilia.

              From what I've read pedophilia is thought to be triggered by some kind of genetic abnormality or sexual trauma, particularly childhood sexual trauma. We have no evidence of either of those in this case so it makes little sense to claim that he was probably a pedophile. I'm not ruling it out, but from what I can tell about his psychology, he doesn't seem to have that sort of inclination.

              • I would be genuinely curious to know if any psychiatrists and studiers of human behavior had ever played this game. If we asked them to pretend the story was real and ask them to extrapolate what kind of relationship Clem and the Stranger would have had, had Lee not eventually rescued her, I would be shocked if any of them dismissed out of hand the idea that the stranger did/would harbor romantic/sexual feelings towards her.

                • Or maybe they would actually analyze what the Stranger's motivations were, instead of blindly spreading pedophile panic.

                  I don't see any point in talking about child sexual abuse unless there's actual hard evidence to support the argument that the Stranger was child molester.

                  • "I don't see any point in talking about child sexual abuse unless there's actual hard evidence to support the argument that the Stranger was child molester."

                    I'm not sure I follow this. The game writers clearly talked about it, because they laid down some implications that the other characters were at least thinking about it. The specter of this is already part of the story, it's not like it's being made up from whole cloth. I'm not saying that suspicion from the other characters means it's true, but the game makers threw it out there on the table, making it a valid point of discussion. It's not like the stranger is a real person and we're risking besmirching his public image.

                    • You guys can say what you think (of course, thats the point of this post) but I just wanna make it clear, I dont think anything about him raping her, I was just curious

                    • Naturally people are suspicious. Several characters are suspicious even about what Lee's motives are, but unlike in the case of Danielle (girl whose picture we find from the tent in Episode 2), there was no hint that Clem was actually victim of sexual violence.

                      When there's threads with topics like: "Should Clem be raped in Season 2?" you can understand if I'm growing weary of constant theories how someone wants to molest Clem, when there's no real evidence to support the theory that the Stranger had sexual motives. Sure he was a sick person, but being insane doesn't automatically mean that one is also a pedophile.

                  • You obviously don't know many Freudians...;)

              • Ok, how the fuck does domewing, clearly the smartest and most well spoken person on this website, get a thumbs down?

      • Hahahahahahahaha "old bag" I've been laughing at that for like 10 minutes!

  • He probably was a little rough with her but that's it.

  • I'm kinda curious about the room in the hotel, the one where we couldn't go. What was inside it ? And why Clementine didn't want us to enter ?

  • why do people find it hard t believe he could have sexual did something to clem, the man is sick in the head

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