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Poor Writing in season 2

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So after playing episode 1 of season 2 i figured out the story is terrible and makes little sense, im going to point out some of the mistakes in the story that make it bad but you couldnt see them because of your low IQ:

  1. Clem survived 16 months with christa-impossible, rick couldnt survive with much larger and more experienced group out in open, they were lacking supplies,and every place with food was pillaged already and there was no animals around also.

  2. they cook some kind of squirrel almost 2 years after outbreak - this doesnt make any sense, animals are already dead,eaten-by people or zombies

  3. they meet a dog- same as above,for the gods sake we had hunger and cannibalism explored in episode 2 of season 1 there wasnt even many birds around, mark with lee couldnt hunt anything, and it was what 3 months after apocalypse? makes no sense

  4. Skipping almost 1,5 year ahead without exploring any past, and killing characters we were with whole this time straight ahead.

  5. christa's baby's gone without even 1 line of text of what happened, maybe it got zombiefied inside of her? no lets skip it

  6. new group gives clem (it seems like) cornflakes with yogurt to eat, its a poor texture, graphic bug or they have a big grocery shop in the basement but they dont.

  7. 2 years after outbreak they are still suprised about someone killing a zombie, be it kid or not

  8. they go fishing when there is no fish (yes zombies can eat fish)

9.Who was gathering food and supplies for the whole group for whole this time? Luke and the old man? Luke is scared about clem bite, so hes must be totally afraid of zombies, and the old man got bit the first time few zombies came around him.

10.Alvin gives clem small box of juice for kids, 2 years after apocalypse in the middle of the forest,with even small city nowhere to be seen.

11.someone from season 1 going to show up in season 2- thats the worst idea, and it makes no sense at all, it seems like all characters are moving in the same direction, if kenny is going to be alive or holly im aficially giving this game 0 on metacritic. thats all

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  • Poor writing? lol I think something is wrong with you. xD Low IQ my ass. I think your the one with low IQ. And her Name is Molly not Holly.

  • Oh here we go...First time here and my first post and I already run into a one of those common posters who try to state his OPINION on writing of an episode as poor. And this is the first topic I ran into...I can tell this place is going to be fun.

  • Your points aren't valid to me. I am not very knowledgeable about the geography of the USA, but I am aware that it is a big country and I am ready to bet that Rick's group survived somewhere else. Probably even far away from Clem and Christa. Also, a larger group needs more food than two people, one of which is a mere child. Do you REALLY think ALL animals would be dead after only a year and 4 months? What would Kenny say to that? Oh right. "That's fucking stupid, Ben!" Humans have actively hunted animals forever and yet there still are animals around, aren't there? Not to mention that humans did so with tools and using their wits. Walkers just roam around and bite everything they can reach. Sure, some animals may die, but they would never be able to kill all. And with less and less SMART people around who could actually HUNT animals, there is no reason to believe they will ever go extinct. Besides, no one said they won't go back and tell what happened in those 16 months. Clem could get some flashbacks, or tell her new survivors about it. There is no reason to assume we will never know what happened during all that time, yet. Same thing about her baby. Why would zombies kill all fish? They can't swim. They could never REACH fish if the lake was deeper than their high. The only way they could kill the fish is if they walked into the lake en masse and thus give the fish no more room to live in. Of course people would be afraid of zombies. They became their new natural enemy. Being afraid of danger is what keeps every living thing alive. And yes, there is nothing wrong with being surprised about the fact that a little girl managed to kill a walker twice the size of her on her own.

    you are way too bitter about this for reasons I don't even know. Get outside, take a deep breath of fresh air and cool down your head a bit, please.

    • And just to add to this post, it would even be reasonable to see some animals, like wolfs, hunting walkers. They are just slow moving and dumb meat walking around and would need luck to catch an animal (especially fishes, since water is not a “natural habitat” for walkers).

      You are probably just another person that is not happy about how things started and is trying to find a way to not sound like a hater, but you are not doing a good job.

  • I wouldn't say poor writing. The storytelling leaves something to be desired. Season 1 episode 1 was much better

  • I agree with you on one point and one point only- the time jump. I understand the game had to make Clementine older in order to make her a capable protagonist, but nevertheless, I didn't like the 3 month time jump in Season 1 and I certainly don't like the whooping 16+ month jump in this one. In both cases things happen that are never truly explained- meeting Mark in S1 and whatever happened to Christa's baby in S2.

    Other than that, no, the episode isn't poorly written. You shouldn't bring extreme realism into a game that is about a zombie apocalypse. Because if you did, the apocalypse would have never spread that far. Zombies would get owned by the military and other armed forces, plus they can't take the head, the cold, plus you'd have to account for the amount of natural dangers they'd wander in- falling off cliffs, bridges, into rivers, lakes, etc. Plus every natural predator out there who have dead meat in their diet (of which there are plenty) would soon realize that freshly dead zombies are essentially free meal- far easier to take down than the usual prey, and thus, would help us cull their numbers. And last but not least, we're frigging humans. An 11 year old girl continuously reminds us throughout the episode that even she is smarter than any zombie, so I simply refuse to believe that humanity would be wiped out by brainless, slow moving corpses. But that's if you're being hyper realistic, which I'm not. So I just enjoy the game.

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    Clem survived 16 months with christa-impossible, rick couldnt survive with much larger and more experienced group out in open, they were lacking supplies,and every place with food was pillaged already and there was no animals around also.

    Rick had a whole lot of bad luck. He rather accidentally stumbled into the zombie reservoirs, deathly murderers and crackpot lunatics than actually meeting anyone else. Also, maybe Christa WAS right in Season 1. Keep the group small, don't attract too much attention.

    they cook some kind of squirrel almost 2 years after outbreak - this doesnt make any sense, animals are already dead,eaten-by people or zombies

    If we had to look for surviving animals, the sky and treetops would be the places to look.

    they meet a dog- same as above,for the gods sake we had hunger and cannibalism explored in episode 2 of season 1 there wasnt even many birds around, mark with lee couldnt hunt anything, and it was what 3 months after apocalypse? makes no sense

    Also depends on the woods, I think. I believe Clem and Christa would disagree with you when you call them lucky. Attempt to cook and eat a squirrel, you'll see what I mean.

    Skipping almost 1,5 year ahead without exploring any past, and killing characters we were with whole this time straight ahead. christa's baby's gone without even 1 line of text of what happened, maybe it got zombiefied inside of her? no lets skip it

    That wasn't exactly excellent in this episode, but we'll see where this leads. I guess we'll get at least one flashback scene to explore what the fuck happened to Christa's baby. There WILL probably be some exploration of the past.

    new group gives clem (it seems like) cornflakes with yogurt to eat, its a poor texture, graphic bug or they have a big grocery shop in the basement but they dont.

    Interesting question where the milk comes from. If it WAS milk. Hey, they have a pregnant woman around! ;) 2 year old cornflakes, however, absolutely not a problem.

    2 years after outbreak they are still suprised about someone killing a zombie, be it kid or not

    If the entire population of earth has already become the heartless 'walking dead' Rick once proclaimed his group to be, we could consider the franchise to have ended.

    they go fishing when there is no fish (yes zombies can eat fish)

    Ever tried catching some with your cold zombie hands? And: can zombies swim?

    Who was gathering food and supplies for the whole group for whole this time? Luke and the old man? Luke is scared about clem bite, so hes must be totally afraid of zombies, and the old man got bit the first time few zombies came around him.

    Being afraid of zombies is good for survival.

    Alvin gives clem small box of juice for kids, 2 years after apocalypse in the middle of the forest,with even small city nowhere to be seen.

    If a large percentage of the world's population has died pretty instantly (especially in the cities), we could assume huge reservoirs of unused supplies to lie SOMEWHERE.

    someone from season 1 going to show up in season 2

    Well, probably. But have you ever considered it could be someone from Clem's last 16 months?

  • Only point(s) I have to agree are the time jump and kicking Christa out Kenny style.They could have at least given us some backstory about what was going on,not treat us as if we already know what was happening for a year and a half (like 3-4 Season 1's).

  • Only element I can think of that possibly indicates poor writing, and I say this as a writer myself, was that I felt the bit where Clementine talks to Luke about Lee at the table was poorly done. Not because of the actual words or anything, but rather, I felt she mentioned what happened in the wrong order.

    It felt like she was saying she found out that her parents were dead, then she met Lee. That's not the case. It could be that she wanted to give false info, but I didn't get that impression. Not sure if anyone else shares that thought and it might be something Telltale wants to look into if they can re-record lines or change the ordering of the dialog without messing things up. Still, it's a minor thing.

    Everything else was great in my view. The characters and overall story arc will be further developed with further episodes. Only real criticism was the length. I think it ended at a natural point though, with Clem finding a new group and then giving us a cliffhanger to lead into the next episode. I think the next episode will start with a more self-contained story arc, like the other episodes had. (Cannibals in episode 2, journeying to Savannah in episode 3, finding and getting the boat to run in episode 4, rescuing Clementine in episode 5. And I'm going to bet the picture that we see for episode 3 on the menu is going to play a rather large part later, possibly.)

    • To me it sounded more like she gave a brief description of what happened and decided to go a little more in detail after thinking back on it.

    • I thought that scene was pretty cool. I was dying to tell someone about the whole relationship, hoping I could get some feedback whether or not the whole decision making of season 1 actually made an impact on our little Clem.

      Anyways, back to your point. Luke asks Clementine straight up what happend to her parents. It's only natural for her to respond to that, other than saying that she got taken care of by Lee before they went looking for them. If you can recall correctly, you have the option ( and I am sure atleast 2 of the options let you mention this ) to say that they left you with a babysitter. THIS is clearly then the starting point of the story you are telling him. It's clear you're not just saying your parents died and they only THEN left you with a babysitter ;)

    • EDIT: Sorry wrong person I replied to. My apologizes.

    • I thought the first episode went pretty well, everyone seems split on it though.

    • Sorry but I have to disagree with you here, I'm also a writer myself (sort off...I say sort off because whilst I've been writing for a long time I'm not officially a writer - In some writers eyes, but that's not the case.)

      I thought the scene where Clementine spoke to Luke about Lee was masterfully done and perhaps the best scene in the game. Whilst it did occur to me as odd, because it seemed like the conversation was all over the place I felt that it was done perfectly. The mood was set, the writing was slick and polished and overall great.

      • No problem, folks. :) I was well aware I could have read the scene wrong and that others may not share the same thoughts. I had absolutely no issues with the actual writing (as in the words, voice acting etc.), just the order that it was written in felt off. So, I guess I missed the point there. :)

        I'm quite hard to affect really and that scene managed it as did the end of season 1 and a few other bits in season 2, so I did indeed think it was very well done.

        Actually, you know, people are complaining about the time-skip in the game, but there's possibly quite a good reason it occurred, especially as Christa seems quite cold with Clem after the time-skip. I think Omid's death was shown because, along with Lee's death, it's really the trigger point for shaping Clem into who she is. Then we have Christa's baby to consider. We don't know if Christa is dead yet, and we've seen the slide for episode three where it looks like Rebecca is giving birth with Clementine present. I think that's going to play a big part in the game and we'll get further details on what happened. (Don't forget too that season 2's meant to be approachable for new people, which could also offer an explanation for the time-skip.)

        So overall, I really am very happy with season 2 thus far. The seeds have been sown for a great story in my view. So, discarding the fact that I think the OP was trolling (and the '0 metacritic rating' part at the end strongly indicates that along with everything else), I really don't see the 'poor writing' that others have been speaking of. I guess it's just like everything else though. New game comes out, people complain (and I find it amusing considering everyone was complaining about it not being released ;) ). I'm not saying it's absolutely perfect, but it's the same old cycle with every game. Looking elsewhere, every review I saw on Steam was positive. The let's play people on Youtube seemed to have enjoyed the episode too. Just the critics and people here that I've seen complain a bit really.

        • Oh and HarjKS, I'm not a traditionally published author. I self-publish, and honed my skills for quite a few years before self-publishing. I never sent anything off to publishers either. I'm not exactly successful and well-known. ;)

          Anyway, point being, who really cares if you're a 'proper writer' or an 'official writer' in the eyes of others? They really don't count. If you enjoy writing, can string a sentence together and have a basic grasp of how to tell a story, you're a writer in my eyes, regardless of whether or not you're published and just write for yourself. (Sorry for going off-topic, but people's snobbishness when it comes to writing bothers me, among other things, so yeah . . . don't let anyone ever tell you you're not a real writer, Harjik. Or how to write for that matter.)

  • You can even just put water with the cornflakes, you know. It's awful as hell, but what other option is there if there is no milk.

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