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It was not ALL bens fault

posted by Young_Anarchy on - last edited - Viewed by 1.5K users

Yes he was stealing supplies to give to the bandits, but they HAD been leaving them alone, so it was Lee taking them away that caused them to attack, had Lilly just faced up to the fact that there were more bandits then them and she was beaten, none of it would have happend, at least not then, and duck would not have been bitten, so while Ben started the fire, Lee and Lilly droped a shit ton of gasoline on it......do you agree?

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  • That and I am also about as old as him, but still if I was to look up the word screw up, dumbass, and fuck up you would find a picture of Ben, truth be told.

  • Yeah, he's one of the definitions of those words on the dictionary

  • @SonnyN18 said: Actually, if Ben had faced up to the group what he had done instead of keeping it a secret (for no reason) then those events probably would have gone differently.

    True, although the group would be upset they would at least be able to plan an ambush or an escape. He only comes clean when it is waaaaay too late..

  • @That1Guy said: GODDAMNIT BEN. That's all I have to say.

    This and also Goddammit Ben!!!!!!

  • If the group hadn't been so hostile and on edge Ben may have told Lee the truth and prevented the Bandits from attacking...
    The deal with the bandits kept them safe if not long term and if Ben had been honest or Lilly had been less paranoid and the bag was either never discovered or never disturbed the bandit attack wouldn't have taken place...

  • I agree, Ben's fault was more of a passive one. I actually don't think the deal with the bandits was a bad idea, his only fault was that he told no one. We all talk about how many lives he indirectly ended, but how about taking a moment to think who he might have saved? Without the deal, the bandits could have easily raided them at night sometime, possibly killing the watchman and hell knows who else. He may be a fuck up, and stupid, but he meant well, I can understand that. One of the reasons I chose not to drop him in the end.

    Anyway, the true fault, in my opinion, lies with Lilly. I understand the grief over her father's death, but that's no excuse to become a hostile bitch to just about anyone. Hell, she ain't the only one who lost her parents. Lee lost his family, Ben lost his, even Clementine lost hers and a goddamn child is taking it way better than her. Had she taken a moment to consider that she isn't the sole one who lost someone, as well as definetly not the only one with the group's best interests in mind- all this could have been avoided. Ben may not have been scared shitless enough to tell no one about the deal, Carley would not have been shot and Kenny wouldn't have joined the "I lost my family" squad. That's why I abandoned her without a second thought. Only wish I could have done it sooner.

  • @Velociraptorius said: I agree, Ben's fault was more of a passive one. I actually don't think the deal with the bandits was a bad idea, his only fault was that he told no one. We all talk about how many lives he indirectly ended, but how about taking a moment to think who he might have saved? Without the deal, the bandits could have easily raided them at night sometime, possibly killing the watchman and hell knows who else. He may be a fuck up, and stupid, but he meant well, I can understand that. One of the reasons I chose not to drop him in the end.

    Anyway, the true fault, in my opinion, lies with Lilly. I understand the grief over her father's death, but that's no excuse to become a hostile bitch to just about anyone. Hell, she ain't the only one who lost her parents. Lee lost his family, Ben lost his, even Clementine lost hers and a goddamn child is taking it way better than her. Had she taken a moment to consider that she isn't the sole one who lost someone, as well as definetly not the only one with the group's best interests in mind- all this could have been avoided. Ben may not have been scared shitless enough to tell no one about the deal, Carley would not have been shot and Kenny wouldn't have joined the "I lost my family" squad. That's why I abandoned her without a second thought. Only wish I could have done it sooner.


    The reason I pity Lilly and understand is she had her dad's head crushed right in front of her...
    Lee only saw walkers and Clem only saw walkers (and was pretty beaten up about it), Ben never knew their fate...
    Her Paranoia was caused by not her Father's death but the fact a member of the group murdered him right in front of her in a pretty brutal way...

  • @Hudomonkey said: The reason I pity Lilly and understand is she had her dad's head crushed right in front of her...
    Lee only saw walkers and Clem only saw walkers (and was pretty beaten up about it), Ben never knew their fate...
    Her Paranoia was caused by not her Father's death but the fact a member of the group murdered him right in front of her in a pretty brutal way...

    It doesn't matter if Lee and Clem's families were walkers , vampires , werewolves , leprechauns , they were still their families . I hate how you sympathise with Lilly's pain but you deny Lee and Clem's pain and suffering .

  • @master psychic said: It doesn't matter if Lee and Clem's families were walkers , vampires , werewolves , leprechauns , they were still their families . I hate how you sympathise with Lilly's pain but you deny Lee and Clem's pain and suffering .


    I don't deny how Lee and Clem suffered especially Clem who still had hope of her parents still living
    I sympathise for Lee and how tough it was to take out his brother and I understand how terrible it was for Clem when she lost everyone so quickly but death by Walkers is less likely to make you and the group fall apart than a 'friend' bashing someone's head open

    Lilly was forced to lead a group when no one else was capable and she had no one left to trust and still managed to save everyone's lives in the Motor Inn when they were all almost executed

    Without her then they could have all died at the attack and if not for her paranoia induced by having no one to turn to she wouldn't have shot someone

    I don't like Lilly and she was responsible for killing Carley and attempting to kill ben which resulted in Doug playing the hero but the group had already fallen apart and no one else decided to take control as no one else was up to the task and was willing to take the lead

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